Video Card Upgrade Help

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thread starter ieatcookies7 Jul 16 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hi my friend just bought me left 4 dead 2 for my birthday but I am unable to run it on my PC. Everything passes the test on "can you run it?" except the integrated video card. I was wondering if there is any video card I can get with the left over $70 from my birthday that can run on my PC. The hp pavilion a6620f http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883107854 without having to upgrade the 250 watt power supply. If I have to upgrade the power supply would it fit into the $70 budget? I live in Canada so I would prefer to buy it from newegg.ca or a store near Vancouver BC so i don't have to spend money on shipping. Thanks

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qwan456 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Rosewill is one of the lowest tier brand names for PSU. Personally, I would much rather get a much more reliable one. Also, that 400w Corsair should be able to power his system and a 5770 as well. Though, if it gets to that, then he would probably need to upgrade his CPU as well. The only problem with our choices is that we given him a .com of Newegg and not the .ca... xD So TS, just go with what Pen said. They have a site that you can go to as well. http://ncix.com/

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skye09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

FWIW, Rosewill is actually Neweggs Inhouse brand oddly enough.

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Pen14 07/17/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ThePepsi : Uh, do you live in the same city as him? Also, don't always trust the clerks at computer stores. Also, 250 watt? Can any low end graphic cards even run on that..? You could get the $30 Corsair PSU, but it wouldn't be a good "investment." If you ever want to upgrade that graphics card in the future to a $150-$200 one, that PSU won't do. If you REALLY don't want to loosen your wallet, then i think this Rosewill will be a better deal than the Corsair. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182038 But Corsair is a more reliable brand.. i must say. But dish out $20 and get this PSU. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182199 As for the graphics card.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130533 Should run L4D2 on maximum settings at 1280x768 resolution or whatever at a nice frame rate [/quote] yeah I live in Vancouver BC as well and AFAIK, NCIX is the best place to shop for computer parts in the lower mainland. While there are some smaller PC shops around the area as well, NCIX has the most stock and their employees will actually talk to you. I've built a few rigs with the guidance of their employees and have recommended them to others before and none of them have ever been ripped off or talked into buying a questionable item. Best Buy once recommended me a $135 dollar 4350 and a 175 dollar 750W PSU to power the 4350 for my HTPC. I walked to the NCIX 3 blocks away and walked out with a 4670 with no PSU for 60 bucks. That is quality customer service at its best but when you get paid 24 bucks an hour; you should expect nothing less. I've also RMA'd a video card (4890) through them without ever talking to the manufacturer. The card was 4 months old when the fan blew out; they simply just apologized and asked me for my telephone number and gave me the exact same card (brand new ofc)

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ieatcookies7 07/17/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Sorry I haven't been posting. I tried the game on lowest settings and it gives me a very nice slide show xD And i don't normally trust clerks at stores like future shop or best buy cause i know they don't sell things for the best price. ( I learned that the hard way) I've read the about mail in rebates on newegg and they seem like a lot to go through to get them. I would rather spend the extra money instead of getting a cheap PSU that will break easily. I don't plan on upgrading in the future after this. I'll go to NCIX and check it out.

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[quote] ieatcookies7 : Sorry I haven't been posting. I tried the game on lowest settings and it gives me a very nice slide show xD And i don't normally trust clerks at stores like future shop or best buy cause i know they don't sell things for the best price. ( I learned that the hard way) I've read the about mail in rebates on newegg and they seem like a lot to go through to get them. I would rather spend the extra money instead of getting a cheap PSU that will break easily. I don't plan on upgrading in the future after this. I'll go to NCIX and check it out. [/quote] Well, of course. Companies aren't exactly the type that would throw money at you; rebates are more-or-less just an incentive to get more sales.

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ieatcookies7 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well I'm thinking about http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127473 OR http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=44692&vpn=GV-N210OC-512I&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1026 cheaper but it's cause of the mail in rebate. Has anyone of you ever bought an item and received the rebate? how long did it take? For power supply http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159022 OR http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033 They both have good ratings but i don't think i need 380 watts. The 2nd one from Antec doesn't come with a power cable so i was wondering if i could use the one from my hp? Thanks

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djpinc19 07/17/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The Antec PSU comes with a power cable. Don't let that first picture fool you - it's a conventional PSU, not modular. Pepsi has already mentioned the $20 Corsair PSU, but forgot to mention a coupon code that may or may not be active http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/215984

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[quote] ieatcookies7 : And i don't normally trust clerks at stores like future shop or best buy cause i know they don't sell things for the best price. ( I learned that the hard way) I've read the about mail in rebates on newegg and they seem like a lot to go through to get them. [/quote] He's not saying "trust the clerk"... he's saying: -Go to Newegg and look up their best price for something you want. (Say whatever it is, is listed for $50 with $7.95 shipping) -Go to the store and find the same item, look at their price. (Their price is $65) -Say to the clerk, "I can get this exact same thing on Newegg for $50, can you match that?" -Clerk wants to make a sale, knows he's already making a hefty margin on the item anyway, so he says "Sure- $50." -You walk out of the store with the item, for the same price as Newegg, but you saved the $8 shipping charge and you have the item in your hand and can install it now, instead of waiting for Newegg to ship it. There's no "trusting" anyone involved. It's called "bargaining". Also- rebates are like "Free Money". If you don't like money, then don't worry about them. I fill out the form, mail it in and a few weeks later get a check in the mail, cash it and put the money in my pocket. No hassle to me except writing my name. Woo hoo. Rebates used to have a bad reputation because companies used them as an extra profit center, knowing that most people won't bother doing them. Thus they get the benefit of the advertising (most stores and/or online retailers will feature rebated products so the product gets special placement), but since most people don't fill out the form, they don't have to pay off on the discount. Better for them than putting the product on sale. Also, some manufacturers actually did defraud customers by not sending the rebates, even if you complied with the requirements. The Federal Trade Commission (in the US anyway) has cracked down on that, and most rebates today are handled quickly and painlessly. Up to you... free money.

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ThePepsi 07/17/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The corsair will DEFINITELY NOT power a 5770 rig. The 5770 requires a 35A. It may run on a 30A, but risking. Plus 400W may not be good enough for people using i3's or phenom's.

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qwan456 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

An i3 can't be run on the Corsair 400w...? Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand: Watts = Amps*Volts. According to this site , max power consumption of the card is 112w. 112w=Amps*12v ~9.33A = 112w/12v And this site (which is running on an OCed i7 extreme) said max power consumption of the 5770 with an actual system as a whole is 284w, which draws up to 23A (less as not everything draws from the 12v rail). So am I missing something, but how you got 35A? Edit: He could get a PSU that will draw more power, if he wants to use on future builds. Of course, he's on a tight budget of $70, and that for BOTH the GPU and PSU.

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Chickenz 07/17/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ThePepsi : The corsair will DEFINITELY NOT power a 5770 rig. The 5770 requires a 35A. It may run on a 30A, but risking. Plus 400W may not be good enough for people using i3's or phenom's. [/quote] It will. Corsair PSU's are underrated (not to mention its a Seasonic S12II), and the 5770 isn't a power hungry card. Manufacturer specifications are often off. I'd actually be more worried about running a 5770 on a 500w rosewill as opposed to running it on a 400w Corsair.

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[quote] ThePepsi : The corsair will DEFINITELY NOT power a 5770 rig. The 5770 requires a 35A. It may run on a 30A, but risking. Plus 400W may not be good enough for people using i3's or phenom's. [/quote] LOL. The 5770 does NOT require 35 amps. Not even close. BTW, Corsairs PSUs arent underrated, they simply use a different rating than other manus; they use the Continuous power rating at 40C ( what should be the standard ) as opposed to the Maximum power rating at possibly 25C ( what many manus do ). Also, nice to see you again Chicken

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ThePepsi 07/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] skye09 : LOL. The 5770 does NOT require 35 amps. Not even close. [/quote] I'll go with Tomshardware on this one. Find me a more reliable source than Toms then i'll say your correct. [quote] Dudelol : Recommended 37 Amps on 12 volt rail for single card, This card can run on lesser this is just recommended and will be able to run with at least 30 Amps on 12 volt rail. [/quote]

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qwan456 07/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ThePepsi : Tomshardware says 37A, minimum 30A. It's a mid/high end video card. Don't expect it to run on 25A, at all. Unless you want to burn it out. That rosewill is more powerful than the Corsair. [/quote] Don't PM me. And where's the link? It seems to me that requirement you keep sprouting out is the rating that the the GPU manufacturer gives that includes the entire system, as well as give you a quite a bit of leeway for low quality PSUs. I mean it should be quite obvious. The requirement is for one of them provided by Sapphire (the one that you bought) is 500w and 600w for xFire. Are you honestly telling me that 100w translate to 30A to 37A alone? And like I said, I would much rather get a higher quality PSU than a Rosewill.

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ThePepsi 07/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] qwan456 : Don't PM me. And where's the link? It seems to me that requirement you keep sprouting out is the rating that the the GPU manufacturer gives that includes the entire system, [/quote] Don't jump to conclusions. I hate people that do that. There's a reason i PMed you. I usually don't PM people i don't know unless i have a reason. "to" with a period before it is censored by Basil. Yes, stupid, right? Go to the power supply section in Tomshardware, go to the PSU guide, then go to the requirements for popular graphics cards thread. [quote] Whatssss : as well as give you a quite a bit of leeway for low quality PSUs. I mean it should be quite obvious. The requirement is for one of them provided by Sapphire (the one that you bought) is 500w and 600w for xFire. Are you honestly telling me that 100w translate to 30A to 37A alone? And like I said, I would much rather get a higher quality PSU than a Rosewill. [/quote] Please reword this paragraph. I can't make anything out of this, except the last sentence. Just because Rosewill isn't as good as Antec or Corsair doesn't mean you shouldn't buy it. If you don't like the Rosewill that much, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022

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