Nexon dislikes Bishops/Priests?

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thread starter afk24 Mar 25 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well I was lead to this conclusion because: 1. PB has zombify, which makes bishops unwanted for PB runs. Their damage also sucks so their about as wanted as A/Ms. 2. Priests got nerfed. Priests are getting half the exp they used to be getting before the exp change. 3. Nexon is introducing a cash item that resurrects a player (wheels or something like that), making bishops pretty much redundant (for nx hoars at least) 4. Bishops are weaker than A/Ms, and yet the "balancing" patch will give A/Ms a mp usage deduction whilst bishops get nothing. 5. Referring to point 5, A/Ms can argue that gen requires almost half the mp. But you have to remember that gen30 costs 300m, which is 10 times more than blizzard or meteor 30. This means that despite more pot usage, bishops spend more mesos in the long run. (up to 180) 6. They don't have a "demon" skill like A/M. I guess the demon skills do rubbish damage compared to the ultis, but it is worth mentioning. 7. Although some may argue bishops have HS, due to the party exp change, a HS mule gives *almost* the same amount of exp leeching from a bishop. i.e. their not that much better than A/M at leeching like before. And because A/Ms can 1 hit earlier, A/Ms can sell 1hit at lower levels. Conclusion: Bishops suck. Yes, I do have a priest, but i made it BEFORE the exp redistribution when priests weren't nerfed and leechers were much more common. Although i really don't want to quit my priest so i might as well get to 120. T__T

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iPodShuffle 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

1) The fact they put in zombify into the game is quite questionable. Aren't they a supporting class? 2) They aimed it at leechers, and it sucks that you guys got affected by it too. They should make a way so that you can somehow get the original 60:40. 4 and 5) The fact you didn't get anything was because the 'balance' patch was an effort to make less popular classes more popular, which really isn't very balancing at all. Yeah, I guess they do in a way, dislike you, or don't care enough. Good luck on getting Bishop btw.

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MorbidMagus + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] iPodShuffle : 1) The fact they put in zombify into the game is quite questionable. Aren't they a supporting class? 2) They aimed it at leechers, and it sucks that you guys got affected by it too. They should make a way so that you can somehow get the original 60:40. 4 and 5) The fact you didn't get anything was because the 'balance' patch was an effort to make less popular classes more popular, which really isn't very balancing at all. Yeah, I guess they do in a way, dislike you, or don't care enough. Good luck on getting Bishop btw. [/quote] Most games have a Zombify skill to prevent players from having lolgodmode in bosses. Zombify in no way stops bishops from supporting in a Pink bean run. Priest shouldn't be able to level easy from being spoon-fed experience, especially since they are one of the fastest training classes and one of the most wanted classes for bossing during 4th job. Archmages were updated because as an OFFENSIVE class they failed to out do a SUPPORTIVE class in power. OT: I can't believe you actually believe this TS, if anything the priest class is finally balanced. 1. See above. 2. Priest didn't get nerfed, and are not the only class effected by the party change. Most of Priest training is either spamming heal in god mode or sitting on a rope or rock, they don't deserve getting as much experience as an attacking class. 3. Dispel, Heal, Holy Symbol, Door, Genesis, and Bless say hi. 4. This is because Bishops are a SUPPORT CLASS and shouldn't be on terms with attacking on Archmages. 5. The fact that Gen 30 cost so much proves that the class is the most popular magician class, even now, that can't be used as a reasoning, especially since it shows the opposite of what your saying. Also, Most Bishops can just join a boss run very easily and get the skillbook for free. 6. We don't have the arsenal of Support skills that Bishops have, and for good reason, YOU ARE SUPPORT, WE ARE OFFENSE. 7. Unfair comparison.- Requires the use of 2 computers, or 3rd party programs, and training 2 characters. and don't even tell me to "go make a Bishop you biased Aran/Archmage" or I'll be forced to lay the smack down on you.

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gtbROX 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] afk24 : Well I was lead to this conclusion because: 1. PB has zombify, which makes bishops unwanted for PB runs. Their damage also sucks so their about as wanted as A/Ms. 2. Priests got nerfed. Priests are getting half the exp they used to be getting before the exp change. 3. Nexon is introducing a cash item that resurrects a player (wheels or something like that), making bishops pretty much redundant (for nx hoars at least) 4. Bishops are weaker than A/Ms, and yet the "balancing" patch will give A/Ms a mp usage deduction whilst bishops get nothing. 5. Referring to point 5, A/Ms can argue that gen requires almost half the mp. But you have to remember that gen30 costs 300m, which is 10 times more than blizzard or meteor 30. This means that despite more pot usage, bishops spend more mesos in the long run. (up to 180) 6. They don't have a "demon" skill like A/M. I guess the demon skills do rubbish damage compared to the ultis, but it is worth mentioning. 7. Although some may argue bishops have HS, due to the party exp change, a HS mule gives *almost* the same amount of exp leeching from a bishop. i.e. their not that much better than A/M at leeching like before. And because A/Ms can 1 hit earlier, A/Ms can sell 1hit at lower levels. Conclusion: Bishops suck. Yes, I do have a priest, but i made it BEFORE the exp redistribution when priests weren't nerfed and leechers were much more common. Although i really don't want to quit my priest so i might as well get to 120. T__T [/quote] You are so so so off in numerous ways, and this is coming from someone who has a bishop, AM, pally, CK, and other classes... 1. Well what do you expect? Most of the higher leveled bosses are going to be harder and have things like zombify. It makes it so you can't just be lazy and rely on bishops and it gives a challenge to the bishops that are lucky enough to be taken on a run, I don't know why someone would bother taking one though. AMs tend to be wanted in small amounts for pb for slow and also because they are the only ones to have completely unnerfed damage at pb. All weap attackers do only 1/4 their typical damage except for pallys on lightning charge who get nerfed by half only. This makes it so that compared to everyone else, AMs won't do such terrible damage. 2. I've found that if anything, priests level way faster nowadays. The ones that don't level are the lazy ones that are spending all their time complaining about the party exp patch. Here's the thing, you guys have galloperas now which came a month or two prior to the party exp patch. At galloperas, even a weak priest can SR there and get attacker exp. Typically priests partying there lure the galloperas, but end up killing off much of the hp before it even gets the the attacker. In other cases a priest and an attacker splits map and they just attack on their own sides. I find that priests kill galloperas pretty fast thanks to holy weakness and mobbing abilities. Himes is still fast and soloable, don't b

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Nadecheje 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I really don't see a problem. 1. Obviously our damage isn't supposed to be great. 2. Priests didn't, the exp formula did. 3. Nothing to say, really. It's just resurrection. 4. What are we supposed to get? We don't NEED anything else. To be honest, I'm happy for Arch Mages. 5. Has nothing to do with Nexon disliking us. 6. Erh, why would we need a demon thing? 7. We're not supposed to be so much better than Arch Mages. Plus they have to waste more pots if they're using Element Amp. In conclusion: Bishops/Priests are fine.

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MorbidMagus + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] gtbROX : You are so so so off in numerous ways, and this is coming from someone who has a bishop, AM, pally, CK, and other classes... 1. Well what do you expect? Most of the higher leveled bosses are going to be harder and have things like zombify. It makes it so you can't just be lazy and rely on bishops and it gives a challenge to the bishops that are lucky enough to be taken on a run, I don't know why someone would bother taking one though. AMs tend to be wanted in small amounts for pb for slow and also because they are the only ones to have completely unnerfed damage at pb. All weap attackers do only 1/4 their typical damage except for pallys on lightning charge who get nerfed by half only. This makes it so that compared to everyone else, AMs won't do such terrible damage. 2. I've found that if anything, priests level way faster nowadays. The ones that don't level are the lazy ones that are spending all their time complaining about the party exp patch. Here's the thing, you guys have galloperas now which came a month or two prior to the party exp patch. At galloperas, even a weak priest can SR there and get attacker exp. Typically priests partying there lure the galloperas, but end up killing off much of the hp before it even gets the the attacker. In other cases a priest and an attacker splits map and they just attack on their own sides. I find that priests kill galloperas pretty fast thanks to holy weakness and mobbing abilities. Himes is still fast and soloable, don't be lazy... 3. Nexon is not introducing it, nexon has already introduced it. It's not just for boss runs, suppose you're 4x training and you die at skeles minidungeon. Would you be happy to lose your buffs? NO. Not everyone is lucky enough to have a bishop to heal him/her everywhere which is why the wheel is necessary. Just like how some priests/bishops love soloing and hate partying so do other maplers. This just lets you be more independent and not have to rely on bishops. 4. Bishops don't need anything. For one, we already have godly levelling at a holy weak mob and we have many incredible buffs which some bishops tend to abuse... We already save more pots on average than AMs so why should we be stronger? We are already able to boss just about anywhere (pb isn't the only major boss just a fyi that you seem to neglect). AMs level just to level some more whereas bishops level to gain skills that they need for boss runs: holy shield, resurrection, mw. 5. Bishops can survive perfectly fine without gen 30, I do it everyday... iimapler did a calculation of avg pot usage of AMs vs bishops and calculated the money amounts. She found that when you factor in a bishop's gen 30 cost the money spent evens out, but keep in mind that once a bishop gets gen 30 he/she is done, no more extra money wasted on trying to pass it. An AM on the other hand will have to live with that double mp cost. 6. Bishops do get angel ray which is good enough. Keep in mind that AMs have CL/paralyze whi

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Kao 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Why so many Nexon rants?

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jonatan 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I have no problem at all with being a preist, please don't complain about our lvling speed! I (as a priest) lvl much faster than my friends!

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[quote] afk24 : 3. Nexon is introducing a cash item that resurrects a player (wheels or something like that), making bishops pretty much redundant (for nx hoars at least) [/quote] I doubt you will see any hene-hoes migrate into the Zakum dungeon. o.o No, but really, not everyone will want to spend millions on pots, or NX on these wheels. So bishops are not entirely dead. [quote] afk24 : Conclusion: Bishops suck. [/quote] Opinion. [quote] afk24 : Bishops are weaker than A/Ms, and yet the "balancing" patch will give A/Ms a mp usage deduction whilst bishops get nothing. [/quote] Well, doesn't that sign that bishops did not need anything to begin with? If they really needed something, what would they get? You tell me. In conclusion, why don't you actually look at the positive things at being a bishop? Please? Did you know attacking classes do not level up as fast as bishops? Did you know that they are also the only support class in the game? Did you know that they have power in the battlefield? I would prefer an ultimate KSing skill over an attacking skill any day. And on a related note: All classes have their ups and downs. Why is it that people only focus on the downs?

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gtbROX 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] MorbidMagus : ily Larry. Attacker damage is reduced by 50% though * Paladins reduced by 25%* [/quote] You better love me f3. Lol my bad...I worded it wrong I guess. But the point is, bishops are fine.

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TheJokr88 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

no. nexon HATES shadowers(including dits, and CB's), they LOVE warriors and they feel indifferent about the mages

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x179496x 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm at himes and leveling is hell that I actually made my priest an APQ mule. Training by myself is SOOOO boring. Training with a partner is hell; 6 hours to level at level 103, I mean, what the hell.

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KewlPerson 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well then make an Archmage. Nobody is stopping you.

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jonatan 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] x179496x : I'm at himes and leveling is hell that I actually made my priest an APQ mule. Training by myself is SOOOO boring. Training with a partner is hell; 6 hours to level at level 103, I mean, what the hell. [/quote] You should go to gallos! Much better than Himes IMO, less pot burn and better exp. You can party or solo, both gives good exp.

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asiannigs 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well gee thanks you made me feel great about my Arch Mage (sarcasm). "Bishops are about as wanted as Arch Mages." Are you saying we Arch Mages are bad? Then after calling us bad you nit pick about all the things you don't have? How does a "demon" skill have anything to do with Bishops lacking? You have have great skills which Arch Mages would love. Magic Door, Holy Symbol, Full Element Resistance, and Doom. Those skills are more than enough to compensate our extra attacks which we don't use. As an I/L Arch Mage I don't use Magic Composition or Thunder Spear anymore. Stop making our class seem so bad. People lik eyou are the reason why Nexon is changing our class. Do you know why? The reason is because the vast majority of Maplers think Arch Mages suck when in fact if you do the math we don't come up very short compared to other classes. We can out DPM certain classes in certain situations without Element advantages. Since people like you labeled us as weak Nexon is trying to mend the problem by making the class better to change the minds of many ignorant players such as yourself. The truth can be said the same about Paladins. If you look at the Paladins you'll see they already have some good damage, but people just put them in the same boat as Arch Mages saying they can't deal damage without Element advantages.

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