Lowluk owns Lukless

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thread starter iTzNeMo Mar 25 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I hope no one gets offended by this, but it seems there's so many lukless mages wit no clue about anything, just a [Mr. me too] who follow lukless build thinking that its the most pro. It isnt =] first off, if ur funds arent good, or shall i say great? just be lukless, cause lukless is cheaper and suitable. For those who wanna be godly, keep reading... low luk, imo, is 23 luk base. why 23 luk base? because at 196ish i believe, your int will be 999 and capped. so those of u who plan to get to 200, well ur luk will be 23 ne way. some say, well ill proly never get to 200. but in this thread you'll learn that 19 points put into luk can be made up easily with the gear your low luk is about to equip. lets start with level 60-70 mage equips. Lukless overall = sauna or bathrobe, and later on after gettin a zhelm and htp, you might be able to wear a level 40 overall. Low luk = mage overall. With maker skill you have the chance [with good funds] to make a mage overall level 60 for example, with 10 int + clean. not only that, u can also get another +5 luk and + 30 hp thru advanced luk, and advanced topaz. so now u have ur 10 int clean robe, and you lukless users are wearin a 0 int clean robe. How's that for a head start on scrolling? lukless gloves = yellow wg, glitter, or flame keeper cordons << flame keepers are nice, but wit the regular wg and glitter, u only have 3 int clean if youre lucky low luk = maker skill, same concept, 3 int clean gloves, now get a +5 int, +5 luk + 30 hp with maker skill. 8 int clean mage gloves rdy to be scrolled to something godley. along with a boost of luk and hp lukless shoes = YSS - fail. low luk = any shoe after level 70 comes wit the 3int (which u get from yss clean btw) and also 1 magic att+ . how will u equip level 70+ shoes with only 23 luk? well simple, zhelm, horntail neck, the +5 luk u got from ur other equips usin maker skill. Lets go back to maker skill, +5. +5 , +30hp again, great clean potentially godly item ready to be scrolled. there's no shoe INT scrolls, which most of u are aware of, so for the rich ppl, we use chaos scrolls to improve the amount of int. So a yellow snow shoe, can be 8 int + with a chaos scroll, but the a 70+ mage shoe, has a chance to get high int and high m att. now the 30 hp, doesnt seem like alot, and isnt in fact necessary if youre only worried about damage. but 30 hp is roughly 150 hp with magic guard, so 30x 3 gives u 450 hp with mg, that's a nice option u get that lukless users dont. now for you lukless bishops, end game weapon is maple wisdom/shine. mine is 104 /15 (119 magic), i seen sum as godly as 111 m att. if you convert to low luk, you can get a dds clean wit 120 magic att. dds is doomsday, IMO the rarest staff in the game, but hey? you gotta throw down to be the best right? DDS is only 80 luk req, by now youd have even more, with the + 5 luk bonus from equips, medal, rings etc. [that 19 points you put into luk, thinking it might be a mistake, just made u smile] happy mapling

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ravkin + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Beggy : Damage-wise only in the scenario that I've given. Not like I ever disputed this anyway. [/quote] I know you never dispute this. Makes my life easier. XD As long as your post implies "Lukless > Low Luk", I am good. So I am good. =) Ot: I think this discussion is pretty much over... And the result is still "Lukless > Low Luk".

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gtbROX 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ravkin : I know you never dispute this. Makes my life easier. XD As long as your post implies "Lukless > Low Luk", I am good. So I am good. =) Ot: I think this discussion is pretty much over... And the result is still "Lukless > Low Luk". [/quote] lOwLuK>LuKLeSsS ok now post your lukless dds build please =[

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theNorm 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You Can't maker lvl 50 gloves with 3 gems. anything under lvl 78 can only use 1 gem, though you could try using stimulators. I generally agree that having enough luk for the lvl 50 set with the HTP and Zhelm/targa and a black belt as well as other all stat boosts would be ideal as you can take complete advantage of the maker skill.

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MorbidMagus 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ravkin : I know you never dispute this. Makes my life easier. XD As long as your post implies "Lukless > Low Luk", I am good. So I am good. =) Ot: I think this discussion is pretty much over... And the result is still "Lukless > Low Luk". [/quote] 4 base luck is rather low amount of luk. So is it actually low luck in reality? My mind = blown at this revelation

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shmexyazn7 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lol @ ravkin lukles dds would end up converting what woulda been int equips into luk equips >.> i wish we could egg three times tho... *drools* uh anyway this thread is phail, THEORETICALLY, there is PROOF that lowluk CAN be better (Hah Ravkin >:O loljk) but REALISTICALLY, any bishop could just get a MoN and get an extremely godly shine wand therefore having more m. atk. If the low luk also has a godly DDS, then they take that mesos and get a better overall - which moves on to better earring, cape, glove, etc. It's only when you have exhausted all of your equips and have near perfect stats in all of them including your weapon - then lowluk is better. you need like 5-10 bill i think. btw i clap for morbidmagnus loll i feel so stupid i thought gtbrox was saying Iowluck, as in I oww luck or I owe luck o.o

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apuTT 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Just remembered, I forgot rings. You could use the lowest lvl maker equips as a lukless.

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sonny2000 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Luckless build 04 Luk (base) 15 Luk (Zakum helmet) 05 Luk (Black belt) 22 Luk (Horned tail pendant) 03 Luk (Saint exorcist medal) 03 Luk (Lilin�s ring) 01 Luk (Broken Glasses) 53 Luk so far from common equips that gives Int and magic also, Magic was NOT sacrificed to obtain 53 Luk, it is just a collateral advantage, lets see what we can wear with 53 luk . . . Overall: Dark Calas requires 40 Luk, gives 4 Int, can be crafted with maker so it can reach 7 int clean with a mid. grade wisdom crystal. Gloves: Dark Pennance requires 50 Luk, gives 3 Int, can be crafted with maker so it can reach 6 int clean with a mid. grade wisdom crystal. Boots: Green Goldwind Shoes requires 53 Luk, gives 3 Int, can be crafted with maker so it can reach 8 int clean with an adv. grade wisdom crystal.

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MPman69 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

This thread is bs. You can wear a doomsday with 4 base so why raise it to 23? Next time do the calculations instead of posting false info. In addition, only bishops would want to use doomsday. Archmages have no reason to ever add any luk. It is a fact that lukless AMs are both stronger and cheaper to make than low luk AMs.

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Rationale 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

id rather put those points in STR.

PreludeMage 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

After I can no longer put points into INT, I will pour it into HP (since it is the limiting factor of Magician survivability) Also, I am Lukless, I have lv50 things... all Maker'd with Adv Int Crystals (Shoes, Gloves, Overall).

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shmexyazn7 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] MPman69 : This thread is bs. You can wear a doomsday with 4 base so why raise it to 23? Next time do the calculations instead of posting false info. In addition, only bishops would want to use doomsday. Archmages have no reason to ever add any luk. It is a fact that lukless AMs are both stronger and cheaper to make than low luk AMs. [/quote] no. please show me calculations that prove a lukless can wear DDS, without replacing int equips with luk equips - in other words, dont scroll anything with luk that can be scrolled with int or m. atk. im waiting.

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PreludeMage 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] shmexyazn7 : no. please show me calculations that prove a lukless can wear DDS, without replacing int equips with luk equips - in other words, dont scroll anything with luk that can be scrolled with int or m. atk. im waiting. [/quote] Now... when did that person ever say that?

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Beggy 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

"If you don't do it this way and this way only you fail". This is the vibe I get off LUKless mages. Don't know why.

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HolyBanish 03/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

nice idea you got there but luckless wins in lv 1 start because... there is available gear on all of low levels but when you go surging to lv 70 or 120+ the gear is powerful but later it will be rare to find and cost too much to allocate one item to topple some luck reqs. i might say that you can go luckless till when you are high int enough to pace the int growth everytime you level up. more mp - magic guard to get alive atfer 10-11k or something but you can change the tables by yourself by covertig to low luck when you have HT or Targa helm (luck+int)? and some scrolled equips enough to wield some normal reg weapons.

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Beggy + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Disclaimer, I know of the advantages a LUKless mage has so don't shove those at me again. Yeah I'm spamming up this thread, so sue me. In the end, all that actually matters is your Matk value. If yours is higher than the LUKless' then you win, end of. Just because a LUKless has an easier time getting their Matk, doesn't mean they're going to totally destroy anyone with LUK by default. That's a stupid way of thinking. In the rough example I posted the difference was what, 23 Matk? Hi, at my level that's ~2.3k on your Ultimate (this only matters when you're close to 100% 3/2/1hkoing something, ALL mages go through this at some point regardless of stat build), ~400-500 on a single cast of CL (about 39k damage a minute on 1 target, which equates to about 1-2 casts :|). The magic damage formula sucks, and by extension mages are terrible for statwh0ring. Are you seriously telling me you're willing to dismiss and ridicule an entire build to the point of humiliation for such a pointless and negligible amount of damage? You're all insane. Feel free to start chucking your "greater than" signs around again.

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