question about WH and MM

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thread starter yom92 Oct 05 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

a MM has pierce which does 1150% dmg, what does the WH have to compete with that skill?

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ramin8r 10/05/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

their version of hurricane they more dps oriented at 200%dmgx8.33 shots per second=1666% a sec but how fast is pierce? PS. this is all a noobs guess dont flame me for being wrong Oo

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bored321 10/05/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Pierce is a 2 second charge skill. It is capable of surpassing the damage cap, and plenty of mid-Lv. Marksman can accomplish it. And what competes with the skill? Nothing honestly I think, unless you know another skill that gets stronger the more enemies it hits.

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deedeedee401 10/05/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

pierce is the hardest hitting attack on 2+ targets when BB comes out, i think MMs will be pretty wanted in zakum fights now amazed

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Starbomba + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ramin8r pierce is a mob-oriented skill, hurricane (and the WH version) is a 1vs1 skill. you can't really compare those. you could compare however ult. strafe+snipe to the WH's hurricane bored321 pierce is actually a ~1.5 second charge skill (balance patch lowered the charge time from 1.78 sec). i agree on that it's the only skill able to legitly go over any damage cap ( watch those beautiful 1m+ hits <3 ), but, unless their equips are pro, or you are really high level, you can't really do it at 140-160 (with my unpotentialled gear, lvl 22 pierce, warrior elixer, MW20 and max SE, my top damage has been 118k on a skele, and even with apple i get close to 140-150k's. i've been only able to go over the cap with Pyramid PQ buff) what compares with a MM pierce, coming from a WH? nothing, really. no WH skill is either strong enough, or cools down fast enough, to compete with the sheer awesomeness of pierce. i do know WH's have a ultimate-like skill which is damned powerful and hits the whole map, but it takes 30 seconds to cool down. in 30 seconds i bet i could clear at least twice a whole skele map deedeedee401 we're pretty wanted in any boss run actually. remember, we also get SE, and we're pretty damn close to BM's in 1vs1 (with maxed snipe). what stop us is lack of knowledge about our skills (i know people who still think MM's have no SE, or that we do have hurricane) and, more obvious, lack of (active) marksmen (i zak at least once a day, HT/CZak like once a week so yea, i'm pretty wanted in boss runs) pierce usage in that video, while interesting, it still pales compared to his Ult. Strafe damage. Ult. strafe could be shoot 2-3 times while you charge and fire pierce, and if you add up all his damage, you could see he hits way more than 700k with ult. strafe than with his highest pierce shot (i saw a 1.3m pierce, but i also saw a 170k in one Ult. Strafe arrow. 170k*6=1,020,000 damage. double that number and you got over 2m dmg in the time you get to fire one pierce). also, if you fire pierce in the same moment zak attacks you, it dispels, making all charge times useless. i could find a use for pierce, if you get to drill 5 monsters before you hit zakum (since it's power increases per monster it goes through, the strongest hit is the 6th), but even with min. range gone, that'd be a bit hard, since most summons fly, and you can't be sure how many will you pierce

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deedeedee401 10/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Starbomba i know MMs are pretty wanted at bosses, but i meant it more as you will wanted more than before since US is incredibly strong

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blaylock101 10/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

mmm... MM is definitely better than a WH. But one thing better than a MM, a BM <3 MMs get the advantage in mobs/training, But BMs are surely better at 1v1s, like boss fights. Even with maxed snipe, they're close but still not as good <3 Anyways, stop talking about WHs, they fail and I will enjoy ksing all of them =D

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Starbomba 10/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] deedeedee401 : Starbomba i know MMs are pretty wanted at bosses, but i meant it more as you will wanted more than before since US is incredibly strong [/quote] i bet you more people know about WH's than new MM skills. just last week i found someone who thought i hacked because i only fired a "hurri" arrow (pierce), and that i hit dmg cap (snipe). it might depend more on server, but it's a common occurrence to me in bello blaylock101 i won't deny we don't get the godly pinning abilities of hurri (the only thing i desire for my MM to have), but the difference is not so far (in 1vs1). also, you forgot the goodness of snipe. even if it takes it's sweet ass time to cooldown, it can ignore all kinds of defense (i can deal 400-800k damage while zak is in cancel W.ATT mode, and there are bosses that spend literally half the run in cancel W.ATT mode *looks at scarlion/targar*) making us, if not so damned close that the difference doesn't matter in real playing, equal BM's on apple do get the advantage at high lvls (180+) since snipe is static. but even so, that doesn't change the fact that both subclasses are probably the most balanced ones in all of maple and yea, this is coming from someone with both a MM and a BM.

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deedeedee401 10/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Starbomba well most of the people i know are decently smart and know most moves for every class, but there's always going to be idiots who don't know what they're talking about

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mrhung 10/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Pierce is an amazing skill, lol. I do enjoy going on boss runs, but sometimes I do wish I could do more than stand there at Scarlion when he cancels his weapon damage for half the battle.

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FrothyFrog 10/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

now what happens if you have a BM with wind pierce how good is that compared to MM's pierce? I think it would be nice to get for training but i feel bad for MM who get nothing from it lol

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Starbomba + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] deedeedee401 : Starbomba well most of the people i know are decently smart and know most moves for every class, but there's always going to be idiots who don't know what they're talking about [/quote] you're right. i tend to get together with those smart people myself, lol what i meant with what i said is that there are more idiots toward MM class. i mean, everyone knows what is brandish, hurricane, and genesis (even the freshest newbies to maple), but they miss the skills on "obscure" classes (i've been asked about skills on my chief dit as well, but not as often as on my MM) i take them with laughter, since supposedly making a MM is "the bandwagon" ever since balance patch (excepting the new classes ofc) [quote] FrothyFrog : now what happens if you have a BM with wind pierce how good is that compared to MM's pierce? I think it would be nice to get for training but i feel bad for MM who get nothing from it lol [/quote] wind piercing, even tho spammable (it's a tad slow tho, watch 3:20 onwards , i heard the whole animation+firing time is near 1 second) and with a nice 550% damage (at max level), still lacks two little things that makes pierce better: - pierce damage gets upped by 1.2 by every monster it goes through . you could even say the 1150% of pierce (or the 850% of today) only applies to the first monster that was hit . the second gets hit for more, the third gets way more damage, and so on. - pierce can go over the damage cap , very useful for OHKOing (or at least getting damn close to it) monsters with more HP than the damage cap also, firing a fully charged pierce could be faster than firing 2 wind piercings, if wind pierce animation is equal or over 0.8 seconds, which results in higher mob DPM it'd be a nice way to balance BM's in mobbing (we get wind piercing in one of the recent KMS patches if we do some helluva hard and long quests) but pierce will always be the hardest-hitting mob skill in maple

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PrettyBoyTom 10/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] blaylock101 : ] Anyways, stop talking about WHs, they fail and I will enjoy ksing all of them =D [/quote] Lol it's posts like this that will encourage WH to pwn you.

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deedeedee401 10/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Starbomba well i started my xbowman a couple of months ago and i've taken a break from maple for a while now so i never really heard of an xbowman bandwagon o_O good thing i bought quite a few xbows before summer and some after the 50% 2h weapon scolls which just made everything hella cheap for me to buy

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FrothyFrog 10/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Thanks alot Starbomba sounds like it will be stronger than inferno though idk how the 50% damage ever sec for 6 sec will work is it really 50% of the monsters hp ever sec *6 O.o that sounds a little oped, just hit some really strong monsters mob them up then inferno them

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