DPM: Fatal Blow vs Upper Stab

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thread starter SinigangIsSmex Sep 22 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Can anyone give me the math showing which one of these is better for bosses?

SinigangIsSmex 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

@hyperfire7, do you mean attacks er whatever per second? Besides that, we need to take into fact the katara dmg change, MI, n other stuff.

DeepRuin 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm pretty sure it's FB on 1 target, while US is on 2 or more.

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DeeMon 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I use upper stab on noob bosses like lord pirate because of his defense up skill which makes my fatal blow do low separate damage and upper stab is like a big single hit damage and it's fast. But everyone has different opinions so don't flame me. o-0

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evilXlive + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I read that Fatal Blow will get an increase in speed... (?) I am not sure though because I haave followed the big bang updates since the beginning of it, on SouthP, n never saw it being mentioned If they did indeed change it then it'll be understandable why they nerf it For me I still use CoH + FB in bosses to avoid getting hit But I see the potential of upper stab killing zak arms way faster than Coh+fb And upperstab gets mass buffed in Big Bang 275% x 2 + 2 more mirrior hit,(250%+25% from boost from Final Cut) possibly the best mobbing skill for DB in training and multiple bosses situation Or maybe even straight up spamming it rather than CoH+FB

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vietboixyz 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

US is higher dpm with mirror image and if you look on the 18x dual blade video at the lion castle thing he is mainly using US to kill

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iamnomage 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

that would make sense if they make Fb as fast as SB and have same dmg

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ShadyPriest 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] DeepRuin : I'm pretty sure it's FB on 1 target, while US is on 2 or more. [/quote] This. It would be nice to know precise damage differences though.

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Ninjenk 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Is it invincibility frames?

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evilXlive + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] popsicklezzz : I've seen PLENTY of vids where DB's use Upper stab against Fatal, look up DB vs. Dodo,Zakum,Horntail,Lilynoch,etc... Upperstab is mainly for mobs that's why most DB's use Upperstab against Zak Arms, and Horntail Arms/Wings/Body for other bosses (that aren't Stationary), they use Upperstab in combo with other skills to avoid Damage... [/quote] I watched a few of it and was shocked to find out our mirror image is like...sh11t... It's NOT 70% of the damage for every hit... it's 70% of 70% of 70% if you have 3 hits with mirror Like, damage from dagger is 1000, 1000,1000, then the mirror will take the last 1000 and x 70%, then x70% again and x70% again And it can't even critical... Dull... Now Shadower can finally stop saying DB is stronger, because Shad's shadow partner will be way better than DB's mirror image by FAR Shadow partner can crit and it really does 50% damage instead of MI's multiple bullcrap...

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kRIPTAH 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

show me a video when a dual blader uses US as a main attack while bossing

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gmharri + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

EDIT: going to recheck calcs, according to what sair said ^ Fatal Blow ~ 1504%/second (assuming 180%*4 + 100%*4, as katara damage is weaker) Upper Stab ~ 1083%/second (single target) (not counting the damage bonus in air, since bosses aren't affected by it)

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BloodmetalX 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] evilXlive : I watched a few of it and was shocked to find out our mirror image is like...sh11t... It's NOT 70% of the damage for every hit... it's 70% of 70% of 70% if you have 3 hits with mirror Like, damage from dagger is 1000, 1000,1000, then the mirror will take the last 1000 and x 70%, then x70% again and x70% again And it can't even critical... Dull... Now Shadower can finally stop saying DB is stronger, because Shad's shadow partner will be way better than DB's mirror image by FAR Shadow partner can crit and it really does 50% damage instead of MI's multiple bullcrap... [/quote] DB's MI gets buffed to 70% of actual skill damage after BB. Look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ5ZUR9Bl7U MI hits still can't crit though Regardless of this, shads seem to be better at bossing/small mobs situations post BB due to their high DPM, while DBs seem more suited to training/large mobs situations due to our mobility and mob control OT: CoH+FB for single, US for multiple

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maorx28 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Just go dojo, kill Alishar/Pirate lord, once with FB and once with UP, and tell us which is faster...

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Alchemy1234 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

how do u BF w/ a DB D:

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johny2toes 09/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Alchemy1234 : how do u BF w/ a DB D: [/quote] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FnpXOilSHs It's not that hard.

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