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thread starter Maj0ra Sep 19 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

This is just a little rant. I've quit MapleStory for a long time and I've been playing the other Nexon game "Combat Arms" for a bit, and I'm considering taking a little break from that and putting some time into the ol' MS. So I just checked BM after like 2-3years absence on the site and it LITERALLY seems as if any opinion that is critical or not asking a question is deleted. I'm sure this thread will be deleted once it gets like 2 pages of replies, simply due to the "controversy" or whatever threads get closed for, in that sentence controversy really means opinion. In short, I just have a simple question. For example, why are opinions that aren't bowing before Lord Nexon simply deleted? It's a failed company and we as the players should have an obligation to let them know and state opinions. I know BM is a community filled with children, but even small children have opinions. The occasional rare breed smart basiler will make a thread (If you think that sentence means you, it probably doesn't because many people think that means them) and after it gets so many pages of replies, bam it gets removed. I understand this is a website for maplestory but if that's the case there should NOT be places to post involving spots unrelated to Maple that involve opinion that could be critical. Your thoughts?

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zigenlady 09/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Most opinions aren't all that serious, so they generally come off as trolls, flamers, etc. So they get treated as such.

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ravkin 09/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I am unsure what this thread is talking about. So, I will reply on a general basis.... Threads are deleted if they break the rules or is filled with posts that break the rules. Threads are locked if they are in potential of being filled with posts that break the rules or is filled with posts that break the rules. If a thread is locked or deleted, it is for good reason. If you want Nexon America to hear your opinion, then do it on the official forums. As it states at the bottom of the page, "BasilMarket.com is not an official site, nor is it affiliated with Nexon.". Nexon America isn't required to read any Maplestory fansite and basically doesn't read of the threads in these forums. If you(everyone) actually care for your opinion to be heard then you would voice your opinion in the official forums.

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Maj0ra 09/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I kinda mean about Basil too. If people post on a thread that break the rules, THOSE posters should be suspended and removed instead of the thread, that logic is backwards. Once again, if you saw what I said I don't play MapleStory but I was kinda referring to people's gripes in general. I don't have any specific idea or opinion for Nexon to hear or else I would be sure to tell them. xD

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TrampMonkey 09/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It's because every rant about Nexon on these forums are poorly written and are flamebait. There's a fine line between "nexon sux letz hek them" and "I don't like Nexon because..."

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Maj0ra 09/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yet again, this is not even ABOUT Nexon specifically. I mention Nexon twice and once is referring to a different game, it was an example.

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Kevvl 09/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Maj0ra : I kinda mean about Basil too. If people post on a thread that break the rules, THOSE posters should be suspended and removed instead of the thread, that logic is backwards. Once again, if you saw what I said I don't play MapleStory but I was kinda referring to people's gripes in general. I don't have any specific idea or opinion for Nexon to hear or else I would be sure to tell them. xD [/quote] Can't have smoke without fire. If we delete all the posters in a thread with tons of flames, more will likely come.

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Moobx 09/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You can't stop opinions. Nowhere in the rules does it say no opinions. Flaming I s'pose is different.

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Maj0ra + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Not even just flaming, like heated opinions I mean. It's seriously like if you give a clever way to word dislike, a BMOD will be like "Hmm I don't know what this means but click" It's happened to me more than I can count. and Kevvl your argument is like "Why bother?" because it makes a lot more sense to block post by people who aren't the topic starter instead of the topic starter having to remake the thread they made at the cost of getting a random suspension for something that wasn't their fault, for a question that wasn't even close to being answered. (Yet again has happened to me before)

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TrampMonkey 09/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Maj0ra : Yet again, this is not even ABOUT Nexon specifically. I mention Nexon twice and once is referring to a different game, it was an example. [/quote] From the OP: In short, I just have a simple question. Why are opinions that aren't bowing before Lord Nexon simply deleted? If you weren't targeting Nexon rants specifically, then edit your question.

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angramainyu + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Admittedly, there is little that could be done to negate this 'rant'. I do not say this because you have presented some irrefutable truth. I say this because without the aimless dissidence and tired demagoguing, this would-be argument is nothing more than a shambling straw man. If indeed this thread is removed, it is most probably because you have not written anything of substance. Nevertheless, I will address the less bizarre presumptions as best I can. [quote] Maj0ra : it LITERALLY seems as if any opinion that is... not asking a question is deleted. [/quote] The misconception that forums are a place for you to voice your every incoherent thought is a popular one. Threads lacking any apparent purpose or pertinence to anyone but the OP themselves are deleted, you are correct. If you wish to protest the BasilMarket policies prohibiting spam, you may opt out of our terms at your leisure. [quote] Maj0ra : I'm sure this thread will be deleted once it gets like 2 pages of replies, simply due to the "controversy" or whatever threads get closed for, in that sentence controversy really means opinion. [/quote] While this makes for an efficient means of self-victimization, it does not, like so much of this 'rant', subscribe to any linear course of reason. Moderators are not interested in silencing your every word simply for villainy's sake. I'm afraid we've bigger fish to fry. While this fact seems to escape so many of BasilMarket's antiestablishmentarians, censorship isn't all that conducive to a thriving forum; insight is already far too scarce around here. [quote] Maj0ra : Why are opinions that aren't bowing before Lord Nexon simply deleted? It's a failed company and we as the players should have an obligation to let them know and state opinions. [/quote] Our sentiments exactly. We don't care to hear your incessant moaning about how Nexon's tyranny has prevented you from maintaining the confidentiality of your own password, their failure to expunge hackers from all existence with the snap of their fingers. Such nonsense belongs in tickets. As with all types of spam, when making noise becomes your primary reason for posting, it's likely that you won't be posting for long. Edit: Threads regarding Nexon are typically left intact, unless there is some other reason for removal, such as profanity or flamebaiting, which seem to be a pretty common phenomenon in those types of threads. Otherwise, it is only when a complaint is exceptionally silly that it would be removed.

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pavchka + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

- Threads opposed to either Nexon or the Basil Market staff are not deleted unless the threads are somehow rule-breaking. Proof would be the "Your opinion of the moderators" thread which has been up for several weeks now. Yours truly is a bit of a Nexon critic. For example I refuse to fund them. There are tons of I hate Nexon threads. - I don't really get your point about the rule breaking thread. You mean that if there's a thread a rule's broken in the thread itself should remain, but that everybody who posts in it should be suspended? But why should the thread remain? And shouldn't the Thread Starter be suspended also? - Could you give us an example of the perfectly valid opinions that suspend people and cause threads to be locked? o_0 (and that we can't decipher, apparently)

Maj0ra 09/22/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I basically just mean like the people who make post that prompt a thread to be removed should instead of their post removed. The OP shouldn't be held responsible for replies to their thread, only their individual post, etc. As for you Sheriff guy who likes to use big words, you probably haven't been a bmod for too long if you're so confident in what you say. I don't really have intent for self victimization, all I'm saying is threads can be deleted for really stupid reasons. Threads specifically mentioning Nexon and are critical to my knowledge usually don't last long. For like the 50th time, this isn't JUST about Nexon, I was using it as an example. Jesus Christ, I know we all love Nexon but give it a rest folks.

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Panicka + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Maj0ra : I basically just mean like the people who make post that prompt a thread to be removed should instead of their post removed. The OP shouldn't be held responsible for replies to their thread, only their individual post, etc. As for you Sheriff guy who likes to use big words, you probably haven't been a bmod for too long if you're so confident in what you say. I don't really have intent for self victimization, all I'm saying is threads can be deleted for really stupid reasons. Threads specifically mentioning Nexon and are critical to my knowledge usually don't last long. For like the 50th time, this isn't JUST about Nexon, I was using it as an example. Jesus Christ, I know we all love Nexon but give it a rest folks. [/quote] Your knowledge is lacking then. Many threads that are critical of any number of topics are left standing. But you keep mentioning this isn't specifically about Nexon, yet you seem to be really the only person continually mentioning them. It should also be noted that you don't have free speech here and really don't need to be given a reason for why something cannot be discussed.

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Maj0ra + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm not. I swear this is why I hate Basil. ok let me say this again. READ my original post slowly and every response. How often do I mention Nexon? I'm just saying let's DROP the Nexon thing and just talk about my general point which is threads in general on BM that are critical. It's common knowledge that threads get closed like nothing, it's Basil. I just had a little rant, I don't need anyone's confirmation of what I know to be true. I mean come on, MrB tries to mod the site as if every player is 7 years old. That alone should make you all just go "ok yeah, we're um wrong". Then again I guess it's just based on opinion. Email from a user I agree with 100% Arguing with the moderators on this site is "tilting at windmills." Since no one can hold them accountable, they do as they please, usually rearing their heads only to offer up the same old arguments and excuses that usually break down to "I do what I'm told!" Even suspensions are performed anonymously, which supposedly prevents users from focusing their anger on any particular moderator (poor babies) but actually just means no one can ever know who is doing wrong. Some of them aren't, or at least weren't when they first received their power, even 18, but they seem to think their ability to write in complete sentences with proper grammar makes them more mature than others who have experience moderating a real forum or who have genuinely good ideas. I think my favorite part of your thread was when they asked for proof. You know, the proof they delete so you can never [i]have[/] proof. And when you can provide enough information to identify a thread or post that was deleted or led to your suspension, they alone can access whatever data remains in order to say, "Yep, what we did was justified. You [supposedly] broke rule X; too bad." It's too bad that there weren't many people to defend you in that thread. Your poll does indeed speak for itself. But, as you can see, having an argument with them--especially angramainyu, who writes so unnaturally--is lengthy, taxing, and futile. It's not worth the trouble until the users gain some power of their own or the moderators lose some of theirs. I agree with that email 100% and luckily he worded it perfectly so I'll consider that my response to w/e redundancy you all more than likely decided to respond with.

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