Attack shield to equal to 2h?

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thread starter s73v3nd Aug 18 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

How much atk on a shield do you need to surpass 2h sword, considering that the 1h sword and 2h sword are the same atk with no shield.

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DNADan 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

im pretty sure its 14att

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Yaaarghly + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

None... Attack shields are useless now. You'd need a potential-ed lv 80+ shield possibly scrolled with attack to be comparable.

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ChuckNastee 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I think there may be some factors which cause variation, but from what I've heard it's around 15.

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PaperTowns 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Why not just check the attacks of the 1h ad 2h swords for the same level? Go math!

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amazingant25 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

STR shields with %STR equips I think are best.

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Yaaarghly 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It also depends on your build as well. If you have a high str multiplier from % equips, you'd need a MASSIVE amount of att on the shield to compare to the two h sword (as the multiplier for 2 h swords as of now benefit a lot more from str/ att).

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TheShinji 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

When the 2h and 1h are the same speed (i.e, most ST vs 1h calcs) then i'm told the attack difference to surpass it is 15% of your total attack (roughly) For differing speeds, naturally that %age falls.

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bgpeychoff 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

the higher the level you get the better it is to have % str shields. and they are definitely cheaper then attack shields

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Baby600 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well the best is 20att but it still wont really equal it

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ZYBlade 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] PaperTowns : Why not just check the attacks of the 1h ad 2h swords for the same level? Go math! [/quote] There's a different formula for both? 100 atk lvl 100 2h sword>100 atk 1h sword

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Yaaarghly 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Baby600 : well the best is 20att but it still wont really equal it [/quote] Wrong. A CLEAN 12% str shield > a 20 att one (based entirely on other equips BUT on average it is better).

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Lothaire 08/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Yaaarghly : None... Attack shields are useless now. You'd need a potential-ed lv 80+ shield possibly scrolled with attack to be comparable. [/quote] This guy doesn't no what he is talkin about... TS: b4 potential it was ~17atk to match 2h dps wise, now, it depends on the potential.

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AdroxNight + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Ignoring potential abilities: (there is a simple formula, but I dont feel like finding it again) about 7-8 watt for a 1h sword to match an equal 2h. about 15-30 watt for a 1h sword to match a ST. (varies based on dex and what 1h you use (usually closer to 15 if you factor in dex and are using a reverse sword) With potential abilities, it will all depend on what other potential abilities you have. Without any other potential abilities, a 5% Str shield would be sufficient. However with a full set of potential abilities, you would need a much larger % str boost. With a full set of 10 6% str boosts, you would need at least a 8% str shield. When it comes to a ST vs another sword of equal watt, you would need a 9% str shield to match it. And with a full set of 10 9% Str, you would need 17% str shield.

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Yaaarghly + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Lothaire : This guy doesn't no what he is talkin about... TS: b4 potential it was ~17atk to match 2h dps wise, now, it depends on the potential. [/quote] I do too >;O! And actually with % equips factored in, things have pretty much changed... Also back then a 15+ attack shield would usually factor out, although most end-game shields had 18-24+ attack. I upgraded my heroes % strs AND after upgrading for % strs as well as hearing from other hero friends that have done the same, 6% str = ROUGHLY 8-12 att DEPENDING on your build/ other equip stats (without %), % stats added from your equips, and overall attack.

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