Red Arrows: Almost Pointless?

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thread starter Absylus Aug 13 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Okay so I've heard this a lot of places... Apparently Red Arrows/Diamond Arrows/Etc appear to boost your attack but actually don't with Soul Arrow? Does that mean Soul Arrow should be sacrificed for 4 WAtk? Or is this actually false and it really does boost your damage? Or... should I go ahead and use Soul Arrow despite which arrows I use even though they make no difference? Either way I'd rather have Red Arrows in my inventory because they look cooler than regular arrows and it's only 40k for 1,000 (full stack) of them. I'm just wondering if people stop using Soul Arrow for the 4 WAtk, or if it's even true. Thanks in advance.

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Absylus 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] krishy : Absylus Most people will get focus instead of amazon for the avoid, not the acc. [/quote] Yeah but if it's level 7 Focus I'd rather not have to use it and lose the Avoid. [quote] Chippie : Idk where you messed up and aren't able to max Focus AND Soul Arrow, but SA > Focus. Potting/buffing/whatever with hurricane can be a pain and when you solo anego (which you will probably do a lot in 4th job), one too many seconds of buff time can mean 7% exp (or whatever archers lose per death). Even when casting longer buffs, like MW can have anego unpin and do ranged attack on you, buffing macroed buffs means she will not only do a ranged attack, she might even slap you or run over you. [/quote] I have 20 Power-Knock-Back in here, is that what's messed up? I think that was the other seemingly useless skill. ----- I will post my original build to clear confusion (this was before I posted this thread): .:: First Job (By Lvl 30) Blessing of Amazon 12/16 Eye of Amazon 8/8 Critical Shot 20/20 Focus 0/20 Arrow Blow 1/20 Double Shot 20/20 .:: Second Job (By Lvl 70) Blessing of Amazon 16/16 Focus 20/20 Bow Mastery: 20/20 Final Attack: 0/30 Bow Booster: 20/20 Soul Arrow: 7/20 (to sync with Booster) Arrow Bomb: 30/30 Power Knock-Back: 20/20 ----- Should I take PKB down to 7 in order to max SA? Or just down to 17 to get SA to 10? Orrrrrr? Also, if it helps, 90% of the time I'm playing, and 99% of the time I'm doing anything important, I will be playing with my wife who is an xbow user. I'm guessing her build will be identical aside from the differing attack skills?

My Characters: Arcaura - 21 KradiaGMS Aran Awakened

xDosuKinutax 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Where can you get red arrows?

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killerfan 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

what the hell are you doing maxing both blessing and focus, max just focus and max soul arrow. Also at all you noobs in this thread: we're NOT sins, we don't need ammo to have good attack. it will always always be better to save use slots and use soul arrow. why would you waste slots on 4 att when you can use them for other pots that give more attack?

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sonofnone9 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

late to the party 0.o well i use soul arrow because i cant afford to waste inv slots on arrows that deplete pretty fast with strafe/booster, and imagine shooting 8.something arrows a second with hurricane 0.o you can use up a whole inv of arrows in a very short time, so yeah i didnt waste my money on any arrows once my soul arrow was lvl 6

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Chippie 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Absylus Your problem is that you raised blessing of amazon in first job, instead of focus... Either way, max Soul Arrow and throw the rest into Focus, it's still a fine skill to use, just don't focus (lol, pun) on it too much when training. PKB and SA both must be maxed.

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Jonksfriend 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

just re-equip the arrows after you cast soul arrow maybe it works like wepon attack pots

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Absylus + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If I would have put up Focus instead of Amazon, Amazon still needs to be at 3 for Eye, so that would've been another 9 points into Focus making it 16? Then with the 4 points I used on it in 2nd Job, it would make it maxed at 20. Is this what you're talking about? So my current build, as far as ideals go, should be this: .:: First Job (By Lvl 30) Blessing of Amazon 3/16 Eye of Amazon 8/8 Critical Shot 20/20 Focus 9/20 Arrow Blow 1/20 Double Shot 20/20 .:: Second Job (By Lvl 70) Focus 20/20 Bow Mastery: 20/20 Final Attack: 0/30 Bow Booster: 20/20 Soul Arrow: 20/20 Arrow Bomb: 30/30 Power Knock-Back: 20/20 Is this what's being said? ----- Okay I'm confused now. SA and PKB both get maxed? People keep saying that Blessing > Focus, why is this? I'm sorry I don't get it but I've never played an Archer of any type over level 50. I just don't get why permanent Acc should be sacrificed for a temporary buff whose bonus is the same, but with Avd as well? I thought we wanted to minimize the amount of buffs so we can keep things "pinned" and such? If I continue with my original build, but instead of putting points into Focus I put them into Soul Arrow instead, why would this be any worse than having both maxed? Isn't Focus completely useless in the long run anyways? With that being said, I might as well put up the permanent passive skill so I never have to worry about using a buff, but still get the bonus. And finally... what's this about SA at 10 syncing with Max SE versus Max SA regardless of SE? I don't think I've seen one general trend yet... Edit: Big Bang is coming up anyways and that will totally flip some things around wont it? Either way, everyone gets a Skill reset as well. I'm the type of person who focuses more on things in the long run, so if certain skills are not necessary right now, whilst other would help more later, I'd rather go that path if it makes anything better.

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Chippie 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Some people don't know what they are talking about. Some say blessing is better than focus just because blessing is passive, but you don't NEED or even WANT more accuracy. Focus however adds avoid, which can help you save a pot or two every few minutes. I know quite a few BM/MM's who say that focus does make a difference, although it's not huge. [quote] Absylus : .:: Second Job (By Lvl 70) Focus 20/20 Bow Mastery: 20/20 Final Attack: 0/30 Bow Booster: 20/20 Soul Arrow: 20/20 Arrow Bomb: 30/30 Power Knock-Back: 20/20 [/quote] This is exactly what you should have done. Don't worry about not being able to max focus though, it's good, but not better than Soul Arrow. Also, max SE has 300 second duration, exactly the same as maxed Focus and half the time of maxed Soul Arrow.

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Absylus + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Chippie Okay that makes sense then. Is it just one of those "which is less useless" sort of issues? Anyways, sort of off-topic but I was looking at the KMST revamp thread and if the information is correct and it will be the same revamp we receive, we're able to max everything in first and second job, with the exception of Double Shot (as I think it becomes inferior to Arrow Blow)? Free SP reset anyways.

My Characters: Arcaura - 21 KradiaGMS Aran Awakened

Haishiro 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You won't need to plan for the Big Bang Patch because you do get (1) full SP reset when the patch comes out. So for right now, put in skill points as for how you're going to play before the BB Patch. Your original build sounds fine to me. A lot of this is just purely based on preference, and the people who are going "OMG why did you put extra points into Blessing, FAIL" are just being rude. Focus gives you a little bit more avoid and accuracy, but you also have to worry about recasting it. Blessing gives you more passive accuracy, which you won't need to recast. Don't listen to people who say you'll always have enough accuracy; I still missed at Typhons at 7x (Since rangers are able to train on stuff much higher level than them). Of course, a few extra accuracy won't make or break your build, but it isn't utterly useless either. PKB has an entirely different use than Dragon Breath or Mortal Blow in pushing back monsters. This is an optional skill, but in my opinion it's more important than Focus or Blessing, so don't take points out of this to make up for those other skills. Also, having Soul Arrow perfectly timed with Booster does nothing more than just look good(and perhaps save some MP). If it's slightly longer, you can recast it anyways using the macro. Also, you can consider having SA maxed such that it's exactly 3 times the duration of Booster. That way you can cast 3 Boosters to every SA that you cast. This way, you would set your macro to cast booster first and then SA; when booster runs out and SA hasn't run out yet, you cast the macro and interrupt the macro after booster is casted. Either way, it all works the same, and the 5 mp difference won't drain a ton of pots. Again, this is all up to preference.

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kevinccf 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Any form of ACC isnt needed for archers, you should be able to hit well 50 levels above you at any point (exaggerating) Focus is frowned upon on the basis that casting focus in a fight wastes time, when you could be fitting in a extra kill, or a few seconds of dps, that adds up over time. I still think, macro wise, you should sync SA with Sharpeyes, and for now just keep a SA/Booster regardless of the extra spare points. Should u refuse to take points from maxing focus/Blessing, then please remove points of PKB to get at least 10 SA

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Absylus 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm not going to worry at all mostly because of the BB patch as well as the fact these skills wont be near as important later on, if even they are now. Anyways, I've made a new thread named and labeled appropriately for the direction I see this conversation going.

My Characters: Arcaura - 21 KradiaGMS Aran Awakened