Opinion on Buccaneers & Big Bang

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thread starter Ithnam Aug 10 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Ok, so I'm guessing most of you know about the changes to Buc skills'delays and the change to CSB's iFrames. For those of you who don't, BSB and DS will be spammable and CSB no longer gives you half a second (or so) of invincibility after you use it. I do not like those changes at all. You might ask "Why? It gives Buccaneers a nice boost and makes them easier to train." That is exactly the problem... the reason I love this class and have gotten a Marauder farther than any other class (and I've tried most of them) is because its iFrames and delays make it the class that requires the most skill (or close to most). Also that if you were really good at using iFrames you could accomplish feats that pretty much no other class can do, like not having to duck snackbars giant laser, soloing Crog in the dojo at lvl 90 or so without using the invincible bubble, or training without using any (or hardly any) potions. Now I could be wrong and Buccaneers might still require skill since I obviously haven't played one with the changes, but from some of the videos that I've watched it didn't look like I was. So that's my opinion on the changes, anyone agree with me?

My Characters: Ithnam - 93 Windia Marauder

Mattdarren 08/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i agree :[. but i'm wondering if we get to keep out Barage Iframe?

My Characters: Watersnipe - 121 Windia Marksman

Plimpies 08/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Basically, the revamp makes every class awesome. However, the classes do seem to becoming a lot more similar: Majority of classes have a fast spammable mob move, a rush move, and a boss move. Heck, there's not even a minimum range problem for archers and sins anymore. My perspective is: if classes are becoming similar, I may as well play this high level one I have already...

My Characters: Legendize - 120 Bera Buccaneer

Starblitzkrieg 08/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I believe barrage still has iframes at the cost of not being spammable. What's not to love about the new CSB? It has less delay and hits six! Mobbing will be a lot easier now.

My Characters: SkinnerV - 132 KradiaGMS Shadower

Sn1per 08/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Starblitzkrieg : I believe barrage still has iframes at the cost of not being spammable. What's not to love about the new CSB? It has less delay and hits six! Mobbing will be a lot easier now. [/quote] Last I heard it was spammable with very little invincibility frames, but at the loss of the damage multiplying for the last few hits.

My Characters: Sn1perel1te - 132 Bellocan Bow Master

normalmapler + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I liked the iframes, its the whole reason i made a bucc when i restarted ms... It is still possible to Dragon dance after BB?

My Characters: n0iimit - 130 Broa Buccaneer

ShiningStar 08/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

This is sad. iFrames please.

My Characters: WarmAndCozy - 59 Bera Brawler

Ithnam + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Starblitzkrieg : I believe barrage still has iframes at the cost of not being spammable. What's not to love about the new CSB? It has less delay and hits six! Mobbing will be a lot easier now. [/quote] CSB lost almost all it's iFrames, like I stated above. That's what's not to love. I'm not saying the other changes aren't nice, but for me they are completely overshadowed by that. Edit: [quote] normalmapler : I liked the iframes, its the whole reason i made a bucc when i restarted ms... It is still possible to Dragon dance after BB? [/quote] I don't think so. I made a thread a few days ago about that and noone said you could.

My Characters: Ithnam - 93 Windia Marauder

Starblitzkrieg 08/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I felt that the pros out weighed the cons in this situation, but obviously you do not. There's not really much you can do though. BSB doesn't replace CSB. That means the only moves with iframes left are BSB, barrage (I think), and demo. Barrage can't be spammed and I know people combo it with CSB to maintain invincibility, but that will not be as easy after BB and you won't be in demo all the time. Now that I think about it, CSB losing its iframes is a major loss.

My Characters: SkinnerV - 132 KradiaGMS Shadower

Takeback3r 08/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Starblitzkrieg : BSB doesn't replace CSB. [/quote] It totally does. The only reason it isn't as good is because you can't use it in the air for maneuverability and it's range isn't as long, but it gets the job done. Besides, D-strike is spammable so who cares. [quote] Starblitzkrieg : That means the only moves with iframes left are BSB, barrage (I think), and demo. [/quote] CSB still gives iframes for the actual attack, like all rush skills. [quote] Starblitzkrieg : Barrage can't be spammed and I know people combo it with CSB to maintain invincibility, but that will not be as easy after BB and you won't be in demo all the time. [/quote] Such fail in this quote. First off, barrage -> BSB is the exact same thing as barrage -> CSB. Second of all, with max ST you have demo 95% of the time. [quote] Starblitzkrieg : Now that I think about it, CSB losing its iframes is a major loss. [/quote] No it isn't.

My Characters: BrickwaIker - 163 Khaini Buccaneer

Plimpies 08/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Supertransform lasts 180 seconds and the cooldown is 200 seconds, so there's only a 20 second period overy 3 minutes that you're not in stransform, thats 90% of the time. You'll be mobbing with bsb, with cork for bigger mobs , then spam superfast ds to kill the mob. for bossing, it'll be mostly demo with a lil barrage during the cooldown.

My Characters: Legendize - 120 Bera Buccaneer

Starblitzkrieg 08/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Sorry I'm not a pirate expert Takeback3r. I don't see how bararge>bsb=barrage>csb though unless the monster is immobile or you're standing on it. Wouldn't they take you in different directions anyway?

My Characters: SkinnerV - 132 KradiaGMS Shadower

Takeback3r + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Plimpies : Supertransform lasts 180 seconds and the cooldown is 200 seconds, so there's only a 20 second period overy 3 minutes that you're not in stransform, thats 90% of the time. [/quote] Because i totally knew exactly how much % of the time you're in it for. Don't forget combat orders makes it 12 seconds or something. [quote] Plimpies : You'll be mobbing with bsb [/quote] Not really. Best thing to rush with is CSB -> blast.

My Characters: BrickwaIker - 163 Khaini Buccaneer

Starblitzkrieg + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

EDIT: Never mind. If buccs can be in ST and demo so much, would it be maxed before barrage (after DS of course)?

My Characters: SkinnerV - 132 KradiaGMS Shadower

korweaBOO + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well, don't quote me on this. but - the skills' delays are getting shortened, so theoretically we could still have an iframe, just not as long as what we have now. i sure hope i'm right though. edit: to add more to my post i am also dex-less, which frightens me more due to the fact the accuracy formula is being changed, although it wont be a problem converting to low-dex. but if i do, my dex-less funding(items) would go to waste...

My Characters: RinStep - 20 Broa Magician