Chains of Hell vs Final Cut

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thread starter RavageSavage Aug 03 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Okay so I'm pretty sure everyone thinks Chains of Hell is the better choice for bossing and whatnot. However, Final Cut gives a HUGE damage boost to your other attacks; pretty much doubling it. Plus right now I have Final Cut in my Skillbook and I can start putting SP into it, but I've a feeling it'll be a while before I get my hands on a Chains of Hell book. What do you all think?

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fight4friday 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

im a lvl 153 DB (traceurs) and i went the path of getting 20 raid 1st, so i could train faster. i now know this was a terrible idea, because i cant RGTS like i wanted to. if i were you i would max CoH (mastery book comes from zakum, and yes, 1 book increases it to max of lvl 30) then final cut, then get lvl 26 puppet.

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SpDyLiLbOi 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ohhh...So max raid is pretty bad then?

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xRommelx 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

yeah is making raid 1st bad and does it really speed up traning =o

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BloodmetalX 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

1 into final cut and then search like a madman for your CoH skillbook xD It will be your major bossing skill

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johny2toes 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] fight4friday : im a lvl 153 DB (traceurs) and i went the path of getting 20 raid 1st, so i could train faster. i now know this was a terrible idea, because i cant RGTS like i wanted to. if i were you i would max CoH (mastery book comes from zakum, and yes, 1 book increases it to max of lvl 30) then final cut, then get lvl 26 puppet. [/quote] I think you forgot Thorns. Although CoH is important for the sake of training that shouldn't be the first choice since it'll slow your training down. There's no point in maxing CoH first for RGTS if you don't have the back-up skills to even get to 150 quickly to begin with. First thing is 1 point should be put into both Venom and Sudden Raid since it'll allow you to poison monsters above you (speeds up early 12x a bit) Most players obviously try to train with bishops and let's face it how many maplers get a 1h bishop to train with them? Not often. This is why Thorns is a great skill to max first, it'll cause a 2h... even a 3h bishop to 1h skeles, giving you more exp/hr. So first skill that should be maxed is Thorns. After Thorns, Final Cut to nearly double your damage out-put since this'll also speed up training. Then get CoH and 26 puppet for RGTS. After that probably Maple Warrior since the rest don't really matter at all.

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RavageSavage 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I suppose I should've mentioned I have: Max Thorns 1FinalCut 1SuddenRaid 1Puppet 1MonsterBomb Yeah I just like having them for fun >.> But yeah, I don't boss often so I think this might mean Final Cut is the better option, no?

My Characters: RavishingDit - 150 Bellocan Shadower

therebegold 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

hmm if u dont boss often then i guess final would be better to raise first as oppsoed to COH, unless you really love COH

Stevo 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

final cut over coh.

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cacaCam 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You have to remember that final cut has a 100 second cooldown...

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RavageSavage 08/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I know but it increases other attacks by double damage for an extended period of time and I think that buff would be more efficient for training and possibly even bossing.

My Characters: RavishingDit - 150 Bellocan Shadower

ssj3500 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I went with a more bossing geared build and love it so far, here's what I did: 1 Final Cut, 1 Thorns, 1 CoH (For Fun) 1 Sudden Raid (Also for fun), 2 Thorns Max Thorns 16 CoH 26 Mirriored Target (For RGTS) Max CoH Max Final Cut Now I'm working on MW, following that up with Raid, then probably monster bomb. RGTS is doable by 150, but not particulalrly worth it until FC is maxed as well, at the moment skeles is still faster for me, unless I could prekill a few and get a ring mule to NeoCity. At 158, 48.48% per RGTS on 4x w/HS. ---------------------- From what you've said, I'd recommend a build like this: 1 Final Cut, Max Thorns Max Final Cut (For the person a few posts above, max lasts for 60 seconds with 100 sec cooldown, 40 sec downtime isn't bad) Max MW or SR, your choice Max CoH Max Mirriored Target for RGTS.

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cornbread11 08/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Right now after maxing thorns I'm going atleast 21 Final cut (50% double dmg 50% regular dmg) before i get chains of hell. Lvl 1 chains of hells needed tho (i just solo'd BF with lvl 1 chains of hell godly frames didn't get hit once although it took 40 mins)

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dvdstealer 08/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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xXjarakudaXx 08/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Noob question. Whats RGTS?

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