BMs stop crying

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thread starter koalakid44 Jul 01 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

As always, the community is already in panic, as a result of speculating on insubstantial evidence--seeing as the patch isn't even been releasedin KMS yet. Before all you BM's go run blindly into despair, stop for a moment and think. Would Nexon, as dense are they usually are, go through with this massive effort of a revamp, just to leave more chaos and inequality when they are done? I know they tend to get a bit out of hand when they do NX-cash related updates, but clearly, this update will be with the gamer in mind, and not some shrewd diabolical plot to make more money (I hope -____-).Firstly, do we even know for sure snipe will hit 999k's consistently? Secondly, despite the changes, the BM class will still have their original perks. With the new changes, we will get 30 more ATT and 70% more mastery from Expertise, as well as a 35 att from Concentrate. For those of you who fail to see the potential in this let me spell it out for you. BMs have always benefited much more from ATT boosts than MM. Why? Let's pretend a BM and an MM are at zak. BM uses an apple. Every single one of his now 200% hurricane arrow will benefits from that 100 ATT. The MM uses the apple. His snipe -- stuck at dmg cap. His pierce -- this is a boss run. Only his now slightly better strafe will benefit. So when you reapply this logic back to the revamped Expertise and Concentrate, it shows that BM's aren't exactly left in the dust. Additionally, BM's will still be more efficient at training. I did NOT say faster, I said more efficient. You can overpower Pierce with 1150% all you like, but the fact remains that you can only kill/dmg 6 monsters with any given shot. Either the first monster won't be dead after one shot or the 6th monster will have a 200k overkill. With the new revamped BM, every single Hurricane arrow will be fully utilized; not only will we kill faster since it is stronger, but the moment one monster dies the next arrow will start attacking the next right away (as we always have). PS. Inferno and it's continuous burning effect is cool too. Esp if you have that instadeath ring effect. PPS. Apparently Snipe does consistent 500k's PPPS. WILL SOMEONE CLARIFY SNIPE'S NEW DMG F5 If I have understated or overstated anything about either class please tell me. This is not an attack on MM's, this is a highlight on BM's (so they'll stop moaning).

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i1337 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

True. But are you sure that BMs will have 30 more ATT and 35 ATT from Concentrate?

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jmay17 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

That really helped me :D

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koalakid44 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] i1337 : True. But are you sure that BMs will have 30 more ATT and 35 ATT from Concentrate? [/quote] Yes, Expertise for both BM and MM have been changed to +30 att and +70% mastery. Concentrate has also been changed to +35 att

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liyanggu 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

For the 5th time, hurricane is 200%.

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FrozenFlameO 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] i1337 : True. But are you sure that BMs will have 30 more ATT and 35 ATT from Concentrate? [/quote] Concentrate is nearly useless as the cool down on it makes it ugh worthy and idk about the revamp but right about now if you dont have it maxed then theres really no point in having it. We have lots of other skills to master and its already hard enough to level. so Concentrate ends up left in the dust and btw Hurricane is 200% now :D <3 I havn't seen any BMs rant about it yet so lol. Us BMs usually dont care and or rant about anything just so you know :O....besides we got a bunch of other skills that may prove to be useful. We also got a 20% avoid increase and a HP increase that was MUCH needed so there REALLLLY isn't anything to complain about. :P I always had a feeling Inferno was going to be useful and MB more useless than it already is.

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Distance 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lol I like this. A lot. You and I were thinking the exact same thing. But still, there will still be some BMs that will QQ.

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koalakid44 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] liyanggu : For the 5th time, hurricane is 200%. [/quote] shuddap zoe u play too much (:

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FrozenFlameO 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] koalakid44 : shuddap zoe u play too much (: [/quote] its 200%.

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Vivi33 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Don't forget about their ability to pin with Hurricane as well xD.

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FrozenFlameO 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Vivi33 : Don't forget about their ability to pin with Hurricane as well xD. [/quote] FOR SURE. damn hurricane is also +50% at all levels ! :D so its stronger earlier. Still the same at the end (200%)

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koalakid44 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] FrozenFlameO : Concentrate is nearly useless as the cool down on it makes it ugh worthy and idk about the revamp but right about now if you dont have it maxed then theres really no point in having it. We have lots of other skills to master and its already hard enough to level. so Concentrate ends up left in the dust and btw Hurricane is 200% now :D <3 I havn't seen any BMs rant about it yet so lol. Us BMs usually dont care and or rant about anything just so you know :O....besides we got a bunch of other skills that may prove to be useful. We also got a 20% avoid increase and a HP increase that was MUCH needed so there REALLLLY isn't anything to complain about. :P I always had a feeling Inferno was going to be useful and MB more useless than it already is. [/quote] Lol, what you said about how Concentrate is useless in the early levels can be applied to many 4th job skills. The numbers in the beginning might be too gradual for anyone to see, not that you can see much at anytime you're using Hurricane since it shoots too fast @__@. Concentrate usually gets maxed at around 160 so it's not THAT far-fetched.... it'll be like having infinite Witch Brews (those are +40 att right?), and you get to cut your mana in half~

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Starbomba + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well, i can see where you come, lol. most of my MM friends (like Alwaysbowman) and even myself think Nexon at least is showing us some love, and we have all the right to be happy about that. also, it's no unknown thing BM's do benefit more off apples and such, tho both classes are damn close (DPM-wise) till lvl 200, simply because even snipe hits damage cap, it can still deal 199k's even on Cancel W.ATT, and nearly every big boss does that nowadays. heck, some even spend 1/3 to 1/2 of the run in that mode *points at scarlion/targar* so we pretty much tie in that point also, AlwaysBowman has gotten proof snipe hits 500k (3:06), so if something is confirmed, that is. also, unless i've read wrong, only MM get 70% mastery and both MM's and BM's are good at training. even if a MM overkills the last 5 and the first monster remains, we just DB it to another mob, or simply snipe/strafe it. it's not so bad really, helps make the 6-monster mobs more quickly. BM's kill fast a single monster, and move on. there really isn't much difference in training speed. the only thing i still see: MM's will still suck at lower lvls. you guys get a skill that fully replaces it's 3rd job counterpart at lvl 1 (hurri), and it's a damned good all-around skill, while us have to get lvl 11+ (pierce) or even max (snipe) for them to be actually efficient at training. heck, even for the Ultimate Strafe thing we'd have to get a couple lvls more for it to be useful, while you at 120 can utterly replace strafe. cut us some slack. i might be biased due to my MM-hood, but meh, i do want these changes to come, both for me as for my own ranger

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FrozenFlameO 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] koalakid44 : Lol, what you said about how Concentrate is useless in the early levels can be applied to many 4th job skills. The numbers in the beginning might be too gradual for anyone to see, not that you can see much at anytime you're using Hurricane since it shoots too fast @__@. Concentrate usually gets maxed at around 160 so it's not THAT far-fetched.... it'll be like having infinite Witch Brews (those are +40 att right?), and you get to cut your mana in half~ [/quote] Yes without the cool down time absolutely it would be the best skill ever yes i know. but a 6 minute cool down for a skill that lasts 240 seconds >_>.....i would be willing to disregard it if a 5th job advancement comes out which...would make sense because of all these exp reductions......

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koalakid44 07/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] FrozenFlameO : Yes without the cool down time absolutely it would be the best skill ever yes i know. but a 6 minute cool down for a skill that lasts 240 seconds >_>.....i would be willing to disregard it if a 5th job advancement comes out which...would make sense because of all these exp reductions...... [/quote] Max Conc lasts 4 minutes, so CD wud be 2 minutes by then~

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