Cruel vs. Critical Ring on Paladin with and or without SE

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thread starter demonplease Jun 23 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Currently looking for these calculations. If anyone has, please post. If SE and ring Critical % and DMG % are both additive, then the cruel ring is better because of the atk. If either the Critical % OR DMG % are multiplicative, the the critical ring will win. Anyone know any of these facts yet?

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ShMaiz3R 06/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The real comparison should be between Cruel Ring and Lilin's Ring because the moment a character has ANY increase in the critical rate by SE/Thorns/passive critical for ranged classes/combo critical for Arans/passive critical for all classes in KMST, Critical Ring will have a huge advantage over every other Ring. So in order to compare Cruel Ring to Lilin's Ring you will have to ignore the +3 ATK (since they both give the same amount of ATK) and compare the 1% increase that Cruel Rings provide from their critical bonus to the increase of +3 STR, +3 DEX that Lilin's Rings provide. For example, your Paladin uses Blast&ACB as its main attacking skills, so 1%+580% = 581% & 1%+350% = 351%, meaning over 0.172% increase for Blast and 0.285% increase for ACB. Let's assume that your STR is 900, this leads to 900+3 = 903 STR which is 0.33% increase. As you can see in this example, the Lilin's Ring beats Cruel Ring when using Blast/ACB without even counting the +3 DEX nor the Accuracy gained from DEX&LUK. All in all, I really see no point in getting Cruel Ring since Lilin's Ring is mostly the best (when SE/Thorns/etc is not factored), and Critical Ring is indeed the best (when SE/Thorns/etc is factored).

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Mancartia + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Cruel vs. Critical without SE: Cruel has 1 more atk, Cruel wins. As posted above Lilin's 3rd ring is even better though. Cruel vs. Critical with SE: Critical adds 7% more per attack. That's about 1.2% on Blast (7/580). If you have more than 82 total atk, the Critical ring is better with Blast. It adds a higher amount on every other attack.

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coalman4444 06/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

This is the simple example I can put it in... For Bossing most likely you will have SE and even thorns so critical ring is better For training solo without these buff's back to lillin's ring

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demonplease + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ShMaiz3R : The real comparison should be between Cruel Ring and Lilin's Ring because the moment a character has ANY increase in the critical rate by SE/Thorns/passive critical for ranged classes/combo critical for Arans/passive critical for all classes in KMST, Critical Ring will have a huge advantage over every other Ring. [/quote] Does someone have the damage calculations with SE to show this? Also, this thread is for Paladins only.

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AsaLostar 06/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm not usually the type to seek statistics because in the end, it's all a matter of probability. The critical ring gives you a better chance of dealing high damage especially with 'sharp eyes.' I personally would recommend cruel to all warrior types (except Arans) because of the attack and the fact that when you do get a critical hit, it hits harder.

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demonplease 06/23/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yes, I am looking for that probability now.

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