Pizard questions, pure poison or late hybrid

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thread starter gamerrttag Jun 15 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

so i was looking at the "guides" and they are basically all the same build just different order i was looking into doing a pure poison build Example(of above): 30-40 poison 40-47 tele 47-54 Slow 54-61 mp eater 61-70 Meditation and extra points into Fire arrow. BUT with balance patch i want to go Hybrid with fire later and i cannot choose weather Slow or mp eater(recomended to take off, but i think its important) i want to be able to have a finisher move that hits 3 monsters, i think that is lv21 minimal, i heard 21is the lowest level that hits 3 my logic is, at jesters they dont hit hard so slow wouldnt make much of a differance, or maybe its more of a 3rd/4th job helpful type thing. and then i also thought that Mp eater would (help)save allot of money in 4th job with the ultimate, ***i unno if Mp eater works with that though*** So what is the skill that is less useful is basically what i am asking. Slow or Mp eater, in long and short term what is better? off topic: can i train at jesters straight from 40+ or should i wait until i get a noc/lama staff? and is there a place better than jesters? or is that the primo spot until ~75

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Tigeralive 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Slow is useless :D go for fire arrow

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irjtr27 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

For pizard, slow is useful. MP eater is a pot saver. If you wanna save money, don't get fire arrow. You get Explosion in 3rd job anyway. By the way, meditation can be replaced by using Wizard Elixers which is much cheaper than the pots you would use by not getting MP eater.

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DaMan1821 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I think you should invest in MP Eater, its a great money saver.. Slow isn't all that great.. -6 speed You get some MP back with MP Eater but still use some.. Using MP is inevitable, but I would not recommend maxing F/A (Fire Arrow)

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SteemedRice 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hybrid. MP Eater barely works

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learkenciel 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

nah don't listen to them. what you should do is max fire arrow, bring slow to 18(slow + seal at skelligons will be a godsend for you) max poison brace, just lvl 3 on mp eater and max meditation mp eater for f/ps is literally useless

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salaraz 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

To answer your question, Poison Breath is the least useful skill. Gets replaced by Poison Mist as soon as you hit 3rd job and is never needed again. Of course, you're probably lazy like a lot of others and you'll add to it anyway. No love for fizards even with the fire arrow upgrade. If you just have to rush everything because it's that important to level up, skip MP Eater completely. Definitely the 2nd least useful skill. Slow is somewhat useful, it works on bosses. When you hit 3rd job don't add a single point to Elemental Composition, that's the useless skill from that bunch. F/P since 2006, lame memories and useless knowledge, hoorah

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StupidRob + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Tigeralive : Slow is useless :D go for fire arrow [/quote] Hahahahaha. Drop MP eater, leave it at 3 for Medi's pre-req. Leave PB at 28 to max Fire Arrow, the difference on PB between 28 to 30 isn't noticeable, but it's noticeable on Arrow. Edit; [quote] salaraz : To answer your question, Poison Breath is the least useful skill. Gets replaced by Poison Mist as soon as you hit 3rd job and is never needed again. Of course, you're probably lazy like a lot of others and you'll add to it anyway. No love for fizards even with the fire arrow upgrade. If you just have to rush everything because it's that important to level up, skip MP Eater completely. Definitely the 2nd least useful skill. Slow is somewhat useful, it works on bosses. When you hit 3rd job don't add a single point to Elemental Composition, that's the useless skill from that bunch. F/P since 2006, lame memories and useless knowledge, hoorah [/quote] Have you even played an F/P hybrid? Obviously not, PB is still used until Mist lasts long enough so it's not re-casted 10 times to kill each mob. <_< It's used until at least 76, I used it until 78 myself. Also, how does adding to it make the user 'lazy'? Poisoning mobs is much less lazy than spamming Fire arrow until they die. Telecasting more to avoid already poisoned mobs Vs standing there and spamming arrow. Slow is VERY useful.. Being able to slow down DT's/Skeles so they don't run you over/and are able to teleport away while poisoning. You obviously weren't a great 'F/P since 2006'. <_<

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mitymage 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] StupidRob : Hahahahaha. Drop MP eater, leave it at 3 for Medi's pre-req. Leave PB at 28 to max Fire Arrow, the difference on PB between 28 to 30 isn't noticeable, but it's noticeable on Arrow. Edit; Have you even played an F/P hybrid? Obviously not, PB is still used until Mist lasts long enough so it's not re-casted 10 times to kill each mob. <_< It's used until at least 76, I used it until 78 myself. Also, how does adding to it make the user 'lazy'? Poisoning mobs is much less lazy than spamming Fire arrow until they die. Telecasting more to avoid already poisoned mobs Vs standing there and spamming arrow. Slow is VERY useful.. Being able to slow down DT's/Skeles so they don't run you over/and are able to teleport away while poisoning. You obviously weren't a great 'F/P since 2006'. <_< [/quote] dude, play nice, the guy from 2006 is stating the old belief from 2006. I remember when i first started (it was like a couple of months before the first halloween event) and the standard build was to max fire first. PB was useless because the strongest monsters were in el nath. Also i/l would almost always max ice first because it was believed to be more fun and more cost effective. However, back then a good % an hour at lvl 40 was like 10% ._. then again, most of use didnt grind hardcore, rather we would try to have fun and talk. on topic: i would max fire arrow because it seems to be a great finished for the Poisoned monsters. Also it does the most damage out of all the mage attacks in 2nd job. (kinda stacked if you asked me, they should also make cold beam into a mobing skill ._.) IMO when comparing i/l to f/p lightning is the f/p posion while ice is the fire. However, freezing isnt nearly as useful as a mob skill, nor is it as useful as posion.

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HateSpirit 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm pretty sure 18 slow + 30 brace > 20 slow + 28 brace, since I heard Gandalf, or some other F/P expert saying something about how the 2 levels of brace increase a bit more in damage, giving you a faster killing speed. The 4 (I think?) less speed lessened from 20 Slow to 18 is not much, as if getting an increase of 4 speed (your character/item), which barely makes a noticeable difference from 100 speed (100% -> 10%).

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iSmashBugs 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

1 tele, max brace, max tele, max slow, MP eater, leave of fire arrow and medi. take mage elixers. then put leftovers into fire if you want.

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ravkin 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The argument should only be "Meditation vs MPE". All the other skills should be maxed by lvl 70. Both MPE and Meditation is quite "useless" to a F/p. I will state my argument for MPE and against Meditation: MPE does not save much on Mp since normally you only hit the monster 1-2 times, and MPE won't activate that often, but it still does save you on slight pot cost at least . MPE might just save you from dying in certain situations. MPE is passive. Meditation is 100% useless for poison training, since poison training is independent of your Magic. Meditation only saves you 37.5k Mesos per hour, and this is only if it is needed. Meditation can be replaced by a pot. Meditation is active and not passive so you will have to recast it which can be irksome. The question isn't "Which skill is more useful?" but "Which is more "useless"?". Which skill do you think is more "useless"?

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gamerrttag + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Ok so i have Choose to do 30 PB 20slow 18medi 20tele 3MP eater 29 Fire arrow, i will be leveling this in the later 50s i think this is a good build, i plan to do it in this order 1tele 30PB 20tele 20slow 21 Fire arrow(hits 3 targets at this level) 3mp eater 18 medi 29fire arrow That seems like a good order right? i plan to level at Jesters with PB

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HateSpirit 06/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

No, don't leave out teleport. It not only reduces MP cost , but it also increases in distance. You'll need max teleport for MPQ and GPQ too, anyways. First option is better, but you're missing a skill point there. You can max fire arrow with the last skill point (you get one from advancing).

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