BM/MM dpm now and in the future

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thread starter NoWayOut Jun 03 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hello. For the last 2 years or so I have been playing a buccaneer. I obviously love being one (otherwise I wouldn't be lvl 145), but I want to try something new. As most of you know, buccs have very unique gameplay, fun skills and good party skills. The one thing buccs dont have is good damage. So long story short, I want an alternate main character with very good solo damage. I narrowed my choices down to bow master and marksman. I plan to level them to 140+ very quickly by borrowing my friends bishop/pg mule (zomg leecher). Alright, so I have a few questions about BM vs MM dpm. Are MMs really equal to BMs in terms of dpm until 160s+ and only slightly behind after? Will the adventurer rings make BMs absolute kings of bow master dpm? Is it likely that updates such as % equips will soon make the damage very uneven (since MMs won't get that much of a boost due to consistent snipe dmg and less crit affected strafe)? Bonus questions: Do BMs have any usable skill variety at bossing or is it literally hurricane pressed down 100% of the time (except for rebuff)? Does snipe really add that much more variety to bossing? Would you say that BMs can be equally as fun as MMs? Sorry for a lot of text -Thanks

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AlwaysBowman 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

As a MM, I love not having to spam one button. BMs just hold one button like you said, at bossing they don't do anything else than hurricane and rebuffing. It's fun to time Snipe perfectly with the strafes. And yes, I think BMs would outdamage us once the rings come out. But that'll take some time, though.

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ItsAHeroine 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Bucc's do have good damage. What are you smoking.

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Blackmanrific 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

They out damage us without the ring, the only real time our dpm is close to each other is when both aren't using apples. Even at that point we still pull of top tier damage in bossing so I don't really care.

My Characters: iCantAimz - 141 Windia Marksman

NoWayOut + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ItsAHeroine : Bucc's do have good damage. What are you smoking. [/quote] I don't smoke. Lowest non-mage dpm. Not that I am complaining.

My Characters: lnAFlash - 143 Khaini Buccaneer

pieluvah 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ItsAHeroine : Bucc's do have good damage. What are you smoking. [/quote] buccs have lowest dpm other than mages... wut are you smoking? o.o

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TheGale 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Both are good. MM definitely get more variety, and bossing is mostly just holding down hurricane for BMs. But, we can't pot while hurricaning, which means to be optimal we have to do a hurricane to strafe to pot to hurricane. Other than that, pretty much buffing and hurricane. It's not like the damage difference is huge, I'd say go with whichever sounds more fun to you.

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Starbomba + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

BM = MM. /end ranger and sniper DPM is pretty similar up to 3rd job, since we have the same skills. some might say snipers have a bit of edge because we can get higher W.ATK weapons easier than rangers, and it's true. but we balance out thanks to blizzard. blizzard lowers a sniper's DPM since it never crits and does low damage, and we have to use it at least once every 2-5 strafes, and it serves as a lurer better than Eruption and Iron Arrow, so we get balanced. MM vs BM is always a controversial point, but, math aside, and in actual bossing conditions, they're both equal. BM have an edge over MM till they max snipe (since hurricane+SE beat strafe+SE alone). from then, and until level 160 (if both are appled), BM wins over MM (mathematically). but in actual bossing conditions when you get hit, bosses dispel/stun/seal/insert negative stat here, bosses cast cancel W.ATK and the like, they are tied. why? even tho BM win with the godliness of hurricane, we catch up to them by doing something by doing somthing only we (and prolly pallies) can do: deal more than 1 damage in cancel W.ATK with snipe . that's why i say they are equal, and very similar, be it lvl 10-200. where one wins with sheer speed, other win by sheer power in 4th job training, they're also very similar. while BM kills 1 enemy in 2-3 seconds, we get rid of a mob in like 6-8 seconds (thanks to pierce low speed but sheer power). pierce is a full 1.72 second animation, so, if you can 4-5HKO a mob of 6, you take 8.6-10.3 seconds to kill it as a whole. at higher levels, with mastery, more W.ATK, and max pierce and it's sheer power, MM's have an edge at training since we can OHKO the last 1-2 monsters, but overall, they�re pretty much the same. MM's have an edge over BM's on ice tho. this goes to more pot savings than BM's, but as i said, bliz (and frostprey casting time) lowers DPM, and you must remember to have the monsters frozen all the time, otherwise, they'll run over you skill wise, BM's tend to rely on on skill, but they also use other skills, as DB, puppet, AE, bomb (useful for stun), unlike a NL, which only attacking skills are TT and avenger (i rarely see any NL using ambush or other skills at training, and at bossing they almost only use TT). MM's do rely on more skills than BM's do (pierce+DB+bliz for training, snipe+strafe for bossing), but even as a 4th job BM you'll be using lotsa skills (Alwaysbowman, you need to go into zruns more often to see what BM's actually do lol, stop merching so much and help me make zruns F5) for bossing, BM's use hurricane, rain, bomb, and hawk/phoenix. hurricane to take down the boss and the rest to keep the mob at bay, luring it, or killing it. for bossing, MM's use strafe, snipe, eruption, bliz and frostprey. about the ring matter, idk. i believe BM's will benefit more than MM since they rely more on damage range and crits than MM, but hitting higher with pierce and strafe will do something for us as well. it's not like only BM's can use it, y'

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c0sa + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] AlwaysBowman : As a MM, I love not having to spam one button. BMs just hold one button like you said, at bossing they don't do anything else than hurricane and rebuffing. It's fun to time Snipe perfectly with the strafes. And yes, I think BMs would outdamage us once the rings come out. But that'll take some time, though. [/quote] I don't recall spamming Hurricane for everything. When training, I use Hurricane, Strafe, Bomb, Dragon Breath, Inferno, Puppet and Hawk. Learn about BMs before you say such things. And, when bossing, we just do Hurricane, yes, but you, MM, just do Strafe and Snipe. Z0MG YOU DO 2 SKILLS AND I DO 1 OMG OMG DSKNSDLBNLKDS yeah w.e, like I boss 24/7.

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YouAzle 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Uhm, Its bout same, but BM do boss better- pinning, nonstop dmg..apple+rings

My Characters: DuskxDbowman - 152 Scania Marksman

xMyAran 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Both are nice but I prefer BMs

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MrDisgaea 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Im wondering the same with the % equips... Since Snipe can't go higher than its dmg cap, the % equips won't do anything to the snipe skill, and BMs could possibly do 50k-70ks per arrow with hurricane outdamaging snipe, leaving MMs with there strafe unequal to the BM. http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5606/31621434.jpg <--A LV. 200 MM with % equips (no there not heks) This whole concept leaves me whether i should keep my BM or make a MM

Scomomage 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

50k-70k per arrow for hurricane? No. Anyways, MM lose their edge after high levels so if you don't plan on playing through 160, go MM.

My Characters: Undiminished - 175 Broa Night Lord

coolsmiley1 06/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] MrDisgaea : Im wondering the same with the % equips... Since Snipe can't go higher than its dmg cap, the % equips won't do anything to the snipe skill, and BMs could possibly do 50k-70ks per arrow with hurricane outdamaging snipe, leaving MMs with there strafe unequal to the BM. http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5606/31621434.jpg <--A LV. 200 MM with % equips (no there not heks) This whole concept leaves me whether i should keep my BM or make a MM [/quote] Holy crap.... Maplestory will be so broken when they release this.

My Characters: zOmGiTzJaCkY - 135 Broa Marksman

tgamej + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well....one time I was really tired but my friends want me to zak with them. So i had to go. I pressed on button on hurricane and felt a sleep while my finger was on that key, I didn't die and finished it. But my friends were mad because they only had 5 min of SE the whole time. Oh well....what I'm trying to saying is that although archers do unstable damage compare to warriors or other classes, BM is does more constant damage and more passive than MM, MM tends to do more damage with the strafe+snipe combo, especially when u about to kill some thing that's 200-300k HP. they can finish that individual target quick, while BM is capable of killing targets with less 100k with ease, but if let MM to shoot of a group of on coming targets with just strafe, it's going to be a while.

My Characters: Rumza - 146 Scania Bow Master