Str Shadowers > Luk Shadowers?

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thread starter Ghetto415 May 24 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I met this guy at Leafre, (Not saying the name) and he happens to be a Str Shadower. He looked at my Reverse Killic and asked if I was a Luk Shadower. I answered "Yes." Next thing you know, he starts calling me a noob for choosing the Luk Shadower path instead of Str Shadower. Noob? He said Str Shadowers are stronger overall AND gets to equip a "sexy shield" (I have to agree dragon khanjar does look sexy. I told him my current damage range but he wouldnt tell me his damage range and just kept calling me a dumb*** for being Luk. I dont understand this. How is Luk Shadower a noob path? Also my friend told me that Str Shadowers DO end up stronger then Luk Shadowers at around lvl 15x-16x. Can someone care to explain? Any help would be appreciated. Please and thank you. -JiggaTofuu

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YumAlfredo + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

They are only stronger because of the damage potential of their shield, that's it. 15 att on their shield pre-scrolled makes quite a difference compared to the 75 Str you have to invest into them.

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Ghetto415 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] YumAlfredo : They are only stronger because of the damage potential of their shield, that's it. 15 att on their shield pre-scrolled makes quite a difference compared to the 75 Str you have to invest into them. [/quote] This is what I thought. My STR shadower friend (not the one from above) told me that getting atleast an 14-15 atk shield would pretty much even up with the STR shadowers (thinking that there dragon khanjars are atleast 30 atk)

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YumAlfredo 05/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Ghetto415 : This is what I thought. My STR shadower friend (not the one from above) told me that getting atleast an 14-15 atk shield would pretty much even up with the STR shadowers (thinking that there dragon khanjars are atleast 30 atk) [/quote] I think 15 att is equivalent to 75 Str for the first 140 ~ 150 levels. After that, you need to continually keep getting better shields to equate a Str Bandit. And it's hard to do that, because if you think about it... HTP (or even a MoN) + a ZHelm/Targar covers a majority of that 75 Str requirement, so the 75 Str requirement is closer to 40 Str.

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Ghetto415 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] YumAlfredo : I think 15 att is equivalent to 75 Str for the first 140 ~ 150 levels. After that, you need to continually keep getting better shields to equate a Str Bandit. And it's hard to do that, because if you think about it... HTP (or even a MoN) + a ZHelm/Targar covers a majority of that 75 Str requirement, so the 75 Str requirement is closer to 40 Str. [/quote] But since they have to use a HTP instead, Thats a good 10 atk MoN there losing. Also with the rest of the 40 str, they will probably get a Str top/Overall or a Str PAC which is pretty much replacing all the equips that could have been used for Luk instead of Str. Compared to that I dont understand what makes the Str shadower so "superior". Sorry if i sound rude or anything, Im just very curious about this and I just want to get what makes them so much better over Luk shadowers.

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YumAlfredo 05/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Ghetto415 : But since they have to use a HTP instead, Thats a good 10 atk MoN there losing. Also with the rest of the 40 str, they will probably get a Str top/Overall or a Str PAC which is pretty much replacing all the equips that could have been used for Luk instead of Str. Compared to that I dont understand what makes the Str shadower so "superior". Sorry if i sound rude or anything, Im just very curious about this and I just want to get what makes them so much better over Luk shadowers. [/quote] They don't HAVE to use an HTP. They just get more att benefit from HTP to wear their Str equips, so they they can still boost Luk. It's like, imagine if you could wear 44 Dex on your Pendant, rather than the 5 given by MoN... sounds more worth it when you look at it that way, doesn't it? If they get a Str/Luk top doesn't make too much of a difference (20 stats at most), and then they add 20 base Str to add 15 extra attack. They wouldn't use a Str PAC, just like you wouldn't need to wear a Dex PAC (Luk PACs are fail, lol). I don't find it rude, and I understand your concern for the path you've chosen. But the numbers don't lie, Str Shadowers have proven to have higher ranges than Luk Shadowers with the same equips (even if they have to add that 75 Str manually).

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Ghetto415 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] YumAlfredo : They don't HAVE to use an HTP. They just get more att benefit from HTP to wear their Str equips, so they they can still boost Luk. It's like, imagine if you could wear 44 Dex on your Pendant, rather than the 5 given by MoN... sounds more worth it when you look at it that way, doesn't it? If they get a Str/Luk top doesn't make too much of a difference (20 stats at most), and then they add 20 base Str to add 15 extra attack. They wouldn't use a Str PAC, just like you wouldn't need to wear a Dex PAC (Luk PACs are fail, lol). I don't find it rude, and I understand your concern for the path you've chosen. But the numbers don't lie, Str Shadowers have proven to have higher ranges than Luk Shadowers with the same equips (even if they have to add that 75 Str manually). [/quote] I guess your right. Im very satisfied for now. Thank you very much . Also one more question. How many attack shield would i need (as a Luk Shadower) to be equivilant to a 30 atk dragon khanjar (as a Str Shadower)? Since back then when I thought about becoming a Str Shadower, I was aiming for 30 atk Dragon Khanjar but failed to find one so decided to become a Luk Shadower.

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ProHealer 05/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

With more LUK, the effecieny of weapon attack increases, since a STR shadower theoretically has more W.ATK than a LUK shadower, their potential is slightly higher. Not a huge difference. Just chill, bro.

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YumAlfredo + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I don't really know. I would assume 15 Att up to Lv150. And then prolly 1 ~ 2 att for every 10 levels. Really late game, it gets near impossible to do it, sadly. EDIT: If you get a really good Maple Shield, you should be fine.

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rangedanger9 05/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I use a reverse Killic AND a Dragon Kahnjar (Without a HTP). -thumbs up-

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YumAlfredo 05/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] rangedanger9 : I use a reverse Killic AND a Dragon Kahnjar (Without a HTP). -thumbs up- [/quote] What's the point of that, lol. Str Daggers have like +2 watk over Luk Daggers.

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Ghetto415 05/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ProHealer : With more LUK, the effecieny of weapon attack increases, since a STR shadower theoretically has more W.ATK than a LUK shadower, their potential is slightly higher. Not a huge difference. Just chill, bro. [/quote] Its not that I care about damage so much I regret not choosing str shadower path. Its that a Str shadower ticked me off saying "Luk Shadowers are never meant to be strong" and such. Also thank you very much to both of you for the help. I feel satisfied now.

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TheMagistic 05/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

General guide would be to have at least 12 or so more attack than a Luck bandit to out damage them so try for about 15+ attack shield.

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Ghetto415 05/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] TheMagistic : General guide would be to have at least 12 or so more attack than a Luck bandit to out damage them so try for about 15+ attack shield. [/quote] Thanks for the tip. That was my goal anyways so what a perfect oppurtunity.

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iGaz3r 05/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

str bandits are stronger after 120 but befre tht its luk dits

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