should i max holy arrow or bless????

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thread starter isellubuy 03/17/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

some say bless is useless and some say its good since mages have low accuracy and that brings up accracy. some say holy arrow is awesome and some say it sucks cuz most clerics mass kill zombies and once holy arrow is maxed they will only have like 6 lvls to use it before getting shining ray. i need to noe what everyone thinks, im having trouble choosing, plz help me...........

Blueblitz 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Would you HA users consider it a major screw up if I already maxed bless? I intend on going past lvl 70, so I'm hoping that HA won't make a big difference. Also, dirigible (since you have a lvl 86 priest), does HA have a farther range than shining ray?

Kahz 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Ok, I have about two things to say. Make that three. First of all, I can't believe I'm even posting, 'cause I quit this stupid game. Second, Holy Arrow should be maxed rather than bless because it is more useful, and if you want me to explain, you'll have to PM me. Third, one of my pet peeves is people thinking that some magic attacks have more range than others. Well, they don't. Every magic attack has the same range, just in a different way. For instance, Fire Arrow SEEMS like it has less range simply because the shot is visible throughout the entire trip between you and the target, Claw SEEMS to go farther because its graphic is smaller and you don't see it other than on the target and on you. Plus, there are glitches in the game that only work with travelling shots such as fire arrow and holy arrow that make shots look like they go farther. Anyways, no range difference. Only casting time difference. I guess I have a 4th thing to add. isellubuy, the only thing that determines how long a cleric gets to use Holy Arrow is when they start putting points into it. I "messed up" by maxing Holy Arrow first, after getting heal to lvl 10, teleport to 1, and MP Eater to 1. So yeah, I get plenty of levels to use it. Plus, just 'cause you get shining ray doesn't mean you can't still use Holy Arrow. I forget what the video is called, but I brought this up in a post about a month and a half ago, and that's that a priest in JMS Beat the living crap out of two crimson 'rogs using Holy Arrow. He only used Shining Ray like twice because of its slow casting time. So by no means is Holy Arrow useless, even after getting Shining Ray.

Sakuyak 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I have a level 55 cleric in scania, and I'm grateful for maxing holy holy, before maxing bless. It makes leveling on the LIVING creatures, a hell of a lot easier. Claw does around - 400-500 per claw, give yor take a few points. With Holy Arrow, it's a combined claw ^_^ so the damage is actualy higher(by llike 3% or so, im to lazy to get into the math) But yeah conclusion, get both. but get holy arrow first if you want to level quicker.

Blueblitz 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

What if I didn't get holy arrow? Will it cause long term damage to my cleric?

y694 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Blueblitz said: "What if I didn't get holy arrow? Will it cause long term damage to my cleric?" no..it's your choice my cleric friend (level 54) says that heals is EXTREMELY boring. it makes her stuck on undead monsters almost forever.. she says the claw is horrible. it is two attacks, and the monster's magic def get subtracted twice. eg: nependeaths-magic claw 380+380 = 760(nependeath's magic def is 120, so 500 dmg with each attack get subtracted by 120) -holy arrow- 880-(the 1000 dmg get subtracted by 120, nependeath's magic def) Jr.barlog-magic claw 0 dmg(if 500 with EACH hit, then 500 - 700(barlog's magic def) = lower than 0) -HA-300 dmg (the 1000 get subtracted by 700, jrog's magic def) So, HA does more dmg than claw by the monster's magic def (if it is 200, then ha does 200 extra) because a moster's magic def get subtracted twice with claw, and only once with HA makes sense?? and no, ha's speed is the same as claw...i had a test(i used claw while my friend tried ha) yes, i did KS her, but the speed difference with claw and ha is so little that you can't see it, and it can't interfere with your training (unless you get ksed 1/2 of your training time) THEREFORE, do not think that ha is useless if you have claw bless IS THE ONE THAT IS REALLY USELESS

Blueblitz 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Another question, is tele that important to a cleric (both party and solo)? is it ok at 1?

y694 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Blueblitz said: "Another question, is tele that important to a cleric (both party and solo)? is it ok at 1?" tele makes you get 1/3 MORE exp, cause it helps you to gather mass amounts of undead monsters with heal (seen my friend do that millions of times, and works well with lit too) and it makes you save time walking from one place to another yes..unless you want to have higher potion cost than a lit mage who uses 40 mp per attack (me) and it makes your distance a little longer too.

eternix6 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Blueblitz said: "Another question, is tele that important to a cleric (both party and solo)? is it ok at 1?" Tele is a must for both. Its really between bless vs arrow not claw =/

y694 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

just saying that he should get ha instead of bless, because many people think that ha is useless with claw

eternix6 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

dirigible said: "Well i can tell you from my experience [yes actual game play] that bless is the only skill that will 1)not help you level faster 2)not help you kill more efficiently 3)not even make you more sturdy ... fact of the matter is, all it serves is to make low dex build warriors be able to hit stuff It is a major misconception that people should skip HA due to the SR factor. If you go shining ray first, yes it will be a ton stronger than your arrow. doesnt mean that arrow is replaceable, or skipable. It also depends if [look below] 1) Do you plan on becoming a priest [reaching lvl 70 and beyond] ? 2) What is your skill plan [ray first, symbol first, other] ? 3) What is your play style [do you like to train alone, in a party, what do you like to kill] 4) Do you want to level faster? [symbol first, requires party training] 5) Do you want to deal more damage early on? [ray first, solo training - almost as fast as symbol build] Now in regard to the cleric side of the SP build ... heres my opinion on how the skills stack up Heal - duh main attack skill to level up on mobs 40-75+ [assuming ray first] 85+ [assuming symbol first] Mp eater - longer training technically zero potion cost [depending on what you train on] teleport - can save you in a tight spot, but is mainly used for speedier training and faster leveling invincible - duh , whats an HP bar? i seemed to missplace it... O_o arrow - highly under appreciated backup to your main attack skills [ie. heal and ray] bless - will not help you level faster in any way shape or form, but is a valued melee enhancer [defence bonus neglegable] In the long run, it really boils down to what your personal preferences are, what you like to do, how you like to train, and if you're willing to be relegated to a support class, or want to be self sufficient. we're not here to make your decisions for you, but I hope i can shine some light to help make them easier... hope this helps O_o" I bow to thee. O_O

t4k0 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

too much to read. I'll just say blessing.

00darkness00 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

better to max bless so u can party to ancient sancutary with maxed bless with bowman(50+) and warr (50+) and maybe u can gte something good like skulshield, olympus,serpens's tongue, etc or maybe even jr barlog

jock + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

l337n355 said: "only the +20 acc is good in bless and its only for warriors so basically max it if u party every time u play with warriors otherwise, ha will be more beneficial to you btw, i hate it when people say that itll get replaced in 3rd job then y do ppl max fire arrow? and all the other moves??? theyll all just get "replaced" in the end if you wait long enough (if the skill isnt replaced in 3rd job, wait til 4th job, and then 5th job) ha will never be replaced by shining ray, because they are both used at different times (shown in video posted by noamEMO) anyway, thats just what i think (just mi 10cents)" please think carefully before saying anything, fire arrow is the most essential skill for a fizard in 2nd job (slow and poison are quite useless skills for a fizard), while HA is NOT an essential skill for a cleric, see the difference? heal, invincible, and mpeater are the most essential for a cleric, so are teleport and bless it is true that HA makes a cleric do stronger than claw, but it weakens ur overall cleric build, n clerics can heal zombies (go heal soul teddy, klock, dark klock if u are bored of zombie coolies) there is NO need to max HA

hakusama 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You cant tele heal tho only tele claw and arrow so its not good imo. So i think that tele is not good for clerics but for the other classes go for it. and bless is ok if you party. Since i solo train and party i'm gettin HA and Bless. You could leave mp eater at a low lvl and still get pots but. Just do wha ever you wish. NO BUILD IS PERFECT!! ((keep that in mind)) also if you are a partycleric you will get Holy Symbol before Shining Ray. So yeah just do wha you want

kelv1n 03/18/06 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

jock said: " please think carefully before saying anything, fire arrow is the most essential skill for a fizard in 2nd job (slow and poison are quite useless skills for a fizard), while HA is NOT an essential skill for a cleric, see the difference? heal, invincible, and mpeater are the most essential for a cleric, so are teleport and bless it is true that HA makes a cleric do stronger than claw, but it weakens ur overall cleric build, n clerics can heal zombies (go heal soul teddy, klock, dark klock if u are bored of zombie coolies) there is NO need to max HA" Please stop talking rubbish, you suck. max holy arrow, there is a need.