Vibe's Guide to Dual Blades

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thread starter Vibe May 19 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Notice: I am writing this guide assuming that you are going to pay NX for your skills. The following are the skills that require NX to add points into: * Slash storm * Tornado Spin * Flying Assaulter * Mirror Imaging * Sudden Raid You can gain NX easily by the MTS system, and filling out surveys. Introduction Hello and welcome to Vibe's guide to Dual blades. This guide should help Maplers get a brief idea or in-depth evaluation of the Dual Blade class. All information from Insoya, myself, and friends from the wonderful guild �ؿ�� in KMS. Dual Blades * Dual blades are the third subclass of Thieves. Therefore, they are an Adventurer class. * Note: Dual blades are created separately from normal Rogues. * Dual blades use Daggers and Blades. * Note: You cannot wield a blade without wielding a dagger. * Dual blades can only be created for a 3 month period. * Dual blades require NX to master skills. * Note: Not all skills will require NX, but seeing that GMS actually made Maplers pay for Evan's Magic guard skill, I predict that GMS will require more skills to be bought from the Cash shop than KMS. Table of Contents AP Distribution Rogue (1 - 20) Semidualer (20 - 30) Dualer (30 - 55) Dual Master (55 - 70) Slasher (70 - 120) Dual Blader (120+) Recommended training grounds FAQ Videos, screenshots, etc. AP Distribution Like Bandits, Dual blades require DEX and LUK (STR is optional) Normal DEX Keep your DEX twice your level. (25 DEX at level 10, 40 DEX at level 20, 80 DEX at level 40, and so on.) This is the best build for new and unfunded Maplers, considering DEX items are pretty expensive. Since you add more points into DEX than Low DEX and DEXless Dual bladers, you may see some difference in your damage. Low DEX This build requires you to keep your DEX as low as possible depending on your funding. Of course, your build wouldn't be called Low DEX if you cannot keep your DEX under around 60. This is the best choice for people who have enough mesos to buy DEX equipment for our weapons. DEXless This build does not require any DEX at all. Your DEX should be capped at 25. Without the proper funding, this build is extremely difficult to manage. Especially without Maple blades, you will need to keep up with the DEX for your blade. Rogue Available skills: * Nimble body * Disorder * Dark Sight * Double Stab Skill build Level 10: +1 Double Stab (1) Level 11: +3 Double Stab (4) Level 12: +3 Double Stab (7) Level 13: +3 Double Stab (10) Level 14: Save SP (3) Level 15: Save SP (6) Level 16: Save SP (9) Level 17: Save SP (12) Level 18: Save SP (15) Level 19: Save SP (18) Level 20: Save SP (21) Results * 10 Double stab * 21 Saved points Explanation: * As you can see, the only skill that you actually add points into is Double Stab. * Adding points into Double stab is useless after 10 because Triple stab requires 10 Double stab, and you will discontinue using Double stab after 20. * Saving points for 2nd Job is better than using your points on Disorder and Dark Sight beca

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craplord 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

last time i checked you cant ap reset lower than the min job req. else it seems nice and im gona ask how you can post a guide to a class you havent played? (im assuming tho xD)

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Vibe 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] craplord : last time i checked you cant ap reset lower than the min job req. else it seems nice and im gona ask how you can post a guide to a class you havent played? (im assuming tho xD) [/quote] I'm not rich enough to reset my DEX lower than 25. I'm not even rich enough to HP wash. I was informed that you can lower your all of your stats down to 4.

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k2by 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Nice Guide XD Still reading it though =/ hehe

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williamowns 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

nice guide subbed

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Jondalicious 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Those ss's don't prove anything about ap going from first job to second job. More proof please.

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TheRebel 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Vibe : I'm not rich enough to reset my DEX lower than 25. I'm not even rich enough to HP wash. I was informed that you can lower your all of your stats down to 4. [/quote] You can not

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[quote] Jondalicious : Those ss's don't prove anything about ap going from first job to second job. More proof please. [/quote] Well first of all, I just proved that you can carry SP over, not AP. Secondly if you see the bottom left, you can see that the job has changed from Rogue to Semidualer. Thirdly, you can obviously see that there is one more tab on the skill chart showing the Semidualer skills. @above, thanks for the confirmation, I will change it now.

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opps, meant sp. I always get those mixed D: You could of just put that date in there and even it you were able to do sp xfer thing in kms, what makes it possible to it in gms? We don't know. Anyway, I don't like your III+ build. MI is pretty bad in terms of upping your damage, I would rather get the full 800% from FA and rest of the points into US.

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[quote] Jondalicious : opps, meant sp. I always get those mixed D: You could of just put that date in there and even it you were able to do sp xfer thing in kms, what makes it possible to it in gms? We don't know. Anyway, I don't like your III+ build. MI is pretty bad in terms of upping your damage, I would rather get the full 800% from FA and rest of the points into US. [/quote] MI is not only used for FA, but all skills. You won't only be training with FA alone, but a mixture of skills. MI raises your damage for all skills, not just FA. Also, MI significantly boosts your damage for FB, which is your strongest single mob skill until CoH.

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aznaran 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

nice guide im going to use this for my db

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sigh, first off at maxed MI only gives out 60% of your attack range, so if your range was 1000 - 1000 then MI will always do 600 - 600. It's a nice boost but a 800% FA owns it completely at level 70, and makes kents twice as easy to handle at 70. The rest in US is obvious since it's your most fastest and strongest mobbing skill. FB won't be used ever in training and if it is, it will lower your exp/hr. A FATSUS combo will rule over all training maps. For my III+ build, I would go something like this. MAX FA > MAX US > MAX MI > MAX BS Reasoning, FATSUS combo will give you the best exp/hr on training maps since of the amount of mobs on them. BS lure is also a training method but it's effectiveness will be determined by how fast the monster is that you are training on. Also prepare to be chuck norris'd by Johny2toes.

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johny2toes 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

� Wow I found so many mistakes in this guide it�s not even funny. [quote] Vibe : The following are the skills that require NX to add points into: [/quote] 1.) They don�t REQUIRE nx, you have the option to buy the skill books in the cash shop but you can get them in game with no nx needed. 2.) As shown with Evan we don�t know what we�ll need for them in GMS when they come out, we could easily not get any nx items at all for them. [quote] Vibe : Note: You cannot wield a blade without wielding a dagger. [/quote] Blades are not Dagger required, you can equip a blade without a dagger but you won�t be able to use any skills what so ever. All skills �cept your Rogue basic skills and dagger based skills won�t work without a blade in hand. So skills such as Owl Dead, Sudden Raid, Monster Bomb those will work with just a dagger, rest need a blade also equipped. [quote] Vibe : Dual blades require NX to master skills. [/quote] Again as I already mentioned we don�t know what DBs will require when they get to GMS. [quote] Vibe : DEXless This build does not require any DEX at all. Your DEX should be capped at 25. Without the proper funding, this build is extremely difficult to manage. Especially without Maple blades, you will need to keep up with the DEX for your blade. [/quote] You do realize you didn�t even mention that the lowest lv�d blade requires 40 dex right? Should have put that without maple blades dexless is not possible. [quote] Vibe : Saving points for 2nd Job is better than using your points on Disorder and Dark Sight because you won't be using them very often. ��Note: Many people think saving points is not possible through job advancements. Here is proof that you MAY save SP points. [/quote] Being able to transfer SP from Rogue to Semi-Dualer was a glitch in KMST/KMS, there were numerous patches in KMS to fix this problem. You�re only supposed to be able to transfer from 2nd to 2nd+ and 3rd to 3rd+ So unless you currently have a KMS player who can make a new DB and prove this otherwise, saving SP for 1st job to 2nd is not possible. [quote] Vibe : Skill build Level 20: +6 Triple Stab (6), +11 Mastery (11), +5 Booster (5) Level 21: + 3 Mastery (14) Level 22: +3 Mastery (17) Level 23: +2 Mastery (19), Triple Stab +1 (7) Level 24: +3 Triple Stab (10) Level 25: +3 Booster (8) Level 26: +3 Booster (11) Level 27: +1 Booster (12), Save SP (2) Level 28: Save SP (5) Level 29: Save SP (8) Level 30: Save Sp (11) [/quote] Now as I already said in the last one about this not being possible. you also put way too much priority in mastery in these lvs. Every other job does just fine without mastery till lv 30, and a DB can just as fine. Also you wait too long to max Triple Stab. What dmg boost you get from max Triple Stab is far better than the dmg boost max mastery gives you. [quote] Vibe : Results �� 1 Endure �� 20 Self haste (Max) �� 20 Fatal blow (Max) �� 20 Slash storm (Max) �� 3 Disorder �� 20 Dark sight (Max) [/quote] The 1 Endure I don�t really get, it�s a

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[quote] Jondalicious : sigh, first off at maxed MI only gives out 60% of your attack range, so if your range was 1000 - 1000 then MI will always do 600 - 600. It's a nice boost but a 800% FA owns it completely at level 70, and makes kents twice as easy to handle at 70. The rest in US is obvious since it's your most fastest and strongest mobbing skill. FB won't be used ever in training and if it is, it will lower your exp/hr. A FATSUS combo will rule over all training maps. For my III+ build, I would go something like this. MAX FA > MAX US > MAX MI > MAX BS Reasoning, FATSUS combo will give you the best exp/hr on training maps since of the amount of mobs on them. BS lure is also a training method but it's effectiveness will be determined by how fast the monster is that you are training on. Also prepare to be chuck norris'd by Johny2toes. [/quote] At your previous post: I wasn't trying to reveal my IGN, but I guess I have to for proof. I just got this from the rankings. The status bar shows that it went up. I leveled from 10 to 20 in around an hour to prove this. http://i46.tinypic.com/25ixf03.jpg At your post quote: My guide suggests that I get 11 MI as soon as you advance, and the first few points go into Bloody storm after 11 FA. In less than 5 levels, you will be using US as your main attack. In less than 10 levels, you will be using maxed FA and US. I'm pretty sure that in that your exp/hr will not be different by a huge margin from your suggested build. Also, according to your build, you won't be able to use the FATSUS combo until late 80's. To Johny: It's true that you may get skill books from monsters, but the only skill that you can actually obtain from monsters are 4th job books. GG there. Without buying the Slash storm book, no BS. You will only be able to raise FA and MI to level 6 without the skill book in the CS. @ 2nd tackle: Blades ARE dagger-required. If you try to equip your blade without your dagger, you will see a message that you cannot wield it. Secondly, You cannot active ANY skills without both daggers and blades, so there is no point in wielding just a dagger. @ 3rd tackle: Like I mentioned above, only 4th job skills books can be dropped from monsters. @ 4th tackle: It's not impossible. Just requires funds. Also, I'm am definitely sure that funded people who don't want to waste money on AP resets will be able to last 5 levels of Double stab. You can use a bathrobe to make up for your lack of DEX. According to my experience, a little merchanting can get you a 15 DEX bathrobe. 25+15 = 40. As you level, you will be able to equip more equipment such as Zakum helmets, capes, shoes, rings, etc. @5th tackle: I just proved it in my guide and my link above. @6th tackle: Level 6 Triple stab: 18 MP, 180% damage to 3 mobs Level 10 Triple stab: 18 MP, 200% damage to 3 mobs. I prefer a stable damage rather than immediate damage, and instability. 20% isn't much anyways when you are low 3x. @7th tackle: I'm not forcing anyone to add Endure

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Jondalicious 05/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I would you to physically record yourself putting points from 1st job into 2nd job. And that chances of this happening to gms is anyone's guess. US will make training at WR x1000 better and is the most likely spot that you will be training till Kents. My Build assumes that you got lvl 16 Tspin and lvl 1 FJ in 3rd job and used 29 or so sp used to get max FA and rest into US or vice vera, allowing you to do the FATSUS combo. Then after that I would proceed in getting BS then MI. And shh Jay about blade requiring dagger, he plays KMS most obviously and can test it. And you forgotten that dexless users can use those cash shop bought blades if kms ever got them.

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