Question for all the 160+ Paladins

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thread starter sevenofnine Mar 14 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

What build did you go with at 160 and beyond? My goal is to reach 180 with my Paladin and I intend to do some serious bossing 160+. So far, I have max HH, Blast, ACB, Divine Charge and I'm 1/2 way through Stance ATM. Considering that I want to do a lot of bossing, I was thinking of maxing Achilles during 16X and Guardian during 17X as that effectively means 30% less damage taken and it significantly increases my survivability as I have not HP washed. (I don't usually die at bosses unless there's substantial lag, although that is somewhat rare. Regardless, 30% less damage taken @ HT would still be very useful!). I'm tempted to go with MW for its obvious party benefits, but when I train and when I go on boss runs, I almost always have access to MW20, and as such, I don't feel it's worth the investment in SP. I'd like to hear what you chose to do 160+ and why. Thanks!

My Characters: EvilCowKing - 158 Windia Paladin

ffsasuke 03/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

for training purposes i did 20mw, 30 rush and now working on archilles. i shud of done archielles earlier but oh well. its better to rely on urself for mw20, i find it useful for my state of mind. LAWL ARCHILLES is a great skill, it saved me a good 10% at bigfoot once. i didnt PG and a BF spawned on me, left me with 700HP left (thx to archilles) since then ive been ARCHILLES FTW! stick to ur 180 dreams. u can do it!

My Characters: UltT1 - 180 Scania Paladin

lticnerate 03/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Maxed MW, doing achilles now, then rush.

My Characters: BlinkThingy - 172 Windia Paladin

Yuenlung 03/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I would actually suggest Achilles over MW in priority. MW is only there for damage increase, but Achilles will actually keep you alive. Achilles vs. Power Stance is a whole other issue.

My Characters: NightlReaver - 150 Windia Paladin

dwayner 03/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Im not level 160 yet or even near it but atm I plan to max monster magnet for training reasons

My Characters: Buubie - 105 Bellocan White Knight

IcedCap 03/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I did the same thing as Aldo "UltT1" the TANK! Even though you plan on bossing, I recommend doing Rush after Stance. It gets me around the map faster, and speed/efficiency is everything at 17x+. Maybe Windia has less problems with BF KSing, but in Scania, you need max Rush if you plan to stand your ground against arrogant KSers. D: Achilles (What I'm working on now) is definitely helpful, especially against 1/1s, or the lethal combination of the archer boss at CWKPQ, 1/1 + Poison. xD I haven't really thought about my next move, my Achilles will be maxed next level, but not sure what I'll do next. Maybe I'll sell my soul for a copy of MW30, hm. Oh, I went MW20 after Rush because I solo trained a lot, and when I did train with others, they didn't have it. It's nice to have your own though, and I wanted a party skill for the first time in my Maple career, haha. 180 is such a pretty number, good luck. :D

My Characters: MyelinSheath - 184 Scania Paladin

UnIdentified 03/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Pro Paly ^

My Characters: UnsiIenced - 154 Scania Shadower

demonplease 03/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You will love a high level of rush. My rush is at 22 or 23...a perfect point, and I believe rush for paladins will be extended with the balance patch... Also you want your stance up to 20. Then you can consider achilies and whatnot.

My Characters: Ulieq - 170 KradiaGMS Paladin

smeat 03/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] demonplease : You will love a high level of rush. [/quote] i second this, mine is @ lvl 17, which is good enough for now... im gonna hold off adding more to it until i get a feel what the balance patch rush will feel like. the extra rush damage seems to help a lot with training too (especially farming ores at gallops).

My Characters: Rolee2nd - 140 Broa Paladin

looklooklook 03/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

For all you pallies, how many jr. balrogs did you guys kill to get the key to the forgotten shrine for HH's skill quest.

My Characters: ShadowerXi - 125 Windia Paladin

Yuenlung 03/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Rush Skill in general will be buffed after Balance Patch. Jr. Balrog it dropped in 1 kill for me.

My Characters: NightlReaver - 150 Windia Paladin

sevenofnine + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Thank you all for the feedback. There's definitely stuff I hadn't thought about in your responses. After much deliberating, I'm thinking I will follow this build: 157-160 leave Stance @ 20 , MW9 << controversial? 160-170 max Rush 170 -18X Stance 20-30, max Achilles or Monster Magnet 18X-19X MW9+ , Guardian <<< if I ever get to this point! My reasoning: @157-160 Here, I'm going to break from the accepted build - I'm leaving Stance at 20. There's a ridiculous diminishing return after that point and, although not worthless, those last 10 SP will be better used in MW instead. (Stance 1-20 takes you from 0% to 80%, 21-30 takes you from 80-90%). Obviously, this will be a slight draw back in comparison to other Warriors with maxed Stance, but given that I don't intend to go beyond 180, I need to treat my remaining SP as judiciously as possible and that extra 10% reduced KB simply doesn't seem as helpful as a 5% boost in stats from MW9. 9 into MW because 10 has the same %, only longer duration. @ 160-170 At this point, on 4 hours of 4x with a Bishop (training, NOT leeching, thank you!), I'm already getting less than 100% / 4 hours ... and it's going to get slower from here on in. A high level Rush will definitely help with getting around the map faster, which, let's face it, is a Paladin's biggest drawback as we have no FJ, Dash (Aran) or Jump (CK) and will thus help with increasing DPM. As much as I want to start orienting my build toward bossing, it's training that's gonna be the source of my EXP, so I should dedicate myself be being as efficient at that as possible. @170-180 I will have had a good 10 levels of solid bossing (hopefully some HT in there) and based on that, I will see whether Achilles should be a priority or not. If I can survive without much trouble, then MM would be a more logical choice to keep training speed up. Stance 20-30 is also an option at this point. 180+ Yes, this is saving MW for late...I know that choosing MM instead of MW might be controversial. That said, at this point in time, I don't see myself capable of forking out a ridiculous amount of meso for a Mastery Book that might fail - I don't have that kind of funding! Comments? Flames? =)

My Characters: EvilCowKing - 158 Windia Paladin

ShMaiz3R + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] sevenofnine : Thank you all for the feedback. There's definitely stuff I hadn't thought about in your responses. After much deliberating, I'm thinking I will follow this build: 157-160 leave Stance @ 20, MW9 << controversial? 160-170 max Rush 170 -18X Stance 20-30, max Achilles or Monster Magnet 18X-19X MW9+ , Guardian <<< if I ever get to this point! My reasoning: @157-160 Here, I'm going to break from the accepted build - I'm leaving Stance at 20. There's a ridiculous diminishing return after that point and, although not worthless, those last 10 SP will be better used in MW instead. (Stance 1-20 takes you from 0% to 80%, 21-30 takes you from 80-90%). Obviously, this will be a slight draw back in comparison to other Warriors with maxed Stance, but given that I don't intend to go beyond 180, I need to treat my remaining SP as judiciously as possible and that extra 10% reduced KB simply doesn't seem as helpful as a 5% boost in stats from MW9. 9 into MW because 10 has the same %, only longer duration. @ 160-170 At this point, on 4 hours of 4x with a Bishop (training, NOT leeching, thank you!), I'm already getting less than 100% / 4 hours ... and it's going to get slower from here on in. A high level Rush will definitely help with getting around the map faster, which, let's face it, is a Paladin's biggest drawback as we have no FJ, Dash (Aran) or Jump (CK) and will thus help with increasing DPM. As much as I want to start orienting my build toward bossing, it's training that's gonna be the source of my EXP, so I should dedicate myself be being as efficient at that as possible. @170-180 I will have had a good 10 levels of solid bossing (hopefully some HT in there) and based on that, I will see whether Achilles should be a priority or not. If I can survive without much trouble, then MM would be a more logical choice to keep training speed up. Stance 20-30 is also an option at this point. 180+ Yes, this is saving MW for late...I know that choosing MM instead of MW might be controversial. That said, at this point in time, I don't see myself capable of forking out a ridiculous amount of meso for a Mastery Book that might fail - I don't have that kind of funding! Comments? Flames? =) [/quote] Glad to see someone who shares the same way of thinking as me. =p We are taking the same road except that I already have MW20 and I'm leaving Stance at 15 and not 20, the reason is simply I think 70% is enough for me (I 've been using Stance15 since level 14x and been bossing with it just fine) because I hate making my Paladin just like NLs or any other spamming classes with no challenges or whatsoever. So since I wanted to have a chance to train with max Rush&25MM while having a decent level of Achilles that will enable me to survive Anego without HB by late 17x, and since I'm not sure if I will be able to reach 18x-19x, (too much time consuming :X) I'm going to use this build: 1-28 Rush (lvl 161-170) > 1-25 MM (lvl 170-178) > 20 Achilles (lvl 178-185) > 1 H

My Characters: Zexord - 161 Scania Paladin

runecaster 03/22/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If you plan on training with a Bishop, who most likely will have a decent level of MW, and don't plan on soloing, MW isn't a necessity. Those points would do well in Stance, or could be used later to max Achilles.

My Characters: lxpaIadinxI - 141 Khaini Paladin

demonplease 03/22/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Wish I could go back and take out 29sp out of HH (worthless skill) and put into achilies.

My Characters: Ulieq - 170 KradiaGMS Paladin