Epic Fail Weapon Decision

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thread starter 4thJobSeries1 Feb 11 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lol so I started my Aran unfunded and am currently level 99. Right now I use a self-scrolled 95 Att Karstan and was hoping to move to an Arcglaive at level 100. Now here's the thing with mesos plus mesos I'd get from selling scrolls I'm at around 110m. So I was thinking I'll hunt some Crimson Wood. Then I realised even if I make an Arcglaive I can't equip it cause I'm dexless and my total dex is not 80. Now I do not want to be a useless dexless who has to resort to dex equips. I want all of my equips except my overall (or top/bottom) to be str/speed equips (I'll accept using dex shoes though). So I thought alright the only way to successfully get to 80 Dex w/out "Dex" equips is an HT Pendant and a few slight upgrades. An HT Pendant cost alot but merching I gain around 7~10m a day so I'll eventually get there, and who knows maybe one day I'll get lucky and find a Chaos Scroll. Then I realised omg an HT Pendant requires level 120 to equip. So here's what I need help w/. First off since I'm far away from my goal in funds should i just gain level and gain mesos and at 120 get an HT Pendant or should I get other equips (not HT Pendant that add to Dex but don't sacrifice damage). If you chose the second one here are my equips, remember I am only willing for my Helm, Ears, Overall (or Top/Bottom) and Shoes to be Dex'd, other equips I will add Str/Att/Speed too: 15 Dex ZHelm Clean Earrings Deputy Star 17 Dex Green Battleroad 3 Dex Blue Belt 3 Dex Red River Boots Now these have other stats but I only stated dex since I need to get it from 53 to 80. Mind you I am 100% sure I am going to stay Dexless. I figure I could get 8 Dex Earrings (now I'm up to 61 Dex). 14 Dex Bottoms (maker at lv105), 6 dex top (it'll be scrolled for str, but it prob has like 3 dex clean and 1 of the 3 gems ill use to make it will be a intermediate dex) (now up to 64 dex), 5 dex black belt (scroll for str) (now up to 66 dex), 10 Dex Shoes (Makered) (So that brings me to 73 dex which is only 7 off but i cant imagine getting another 7 cost efficientely while still keeping damage up). So how do you think I should get that last 7 Dex the most cost efficient way? 22 Dex ZHelm? 10 Dex Earrings + 16 Dex Bottoms + 12 Dex Shoes + 17 Dex ZHelm? Any other combos? Or should I just use my Karstan till 120 and save up for an HT Pendant (w/ HT Pendant and my current equips thats 70 dex, so add 8 dex earrings and a black belt and im fine already). Sorry if this is long and ugly. Please respond if u have any wisdom/advice to share.

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Riyakou 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i suggest not using an HT pendant over a MoN because the mon gives a huge boost in damage. try and scroll your zhelm, and im pretty sure you can make/buy a better overall.

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taleko 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Riyakou : i suggest not using an HT pendant over a MoN because the mon gives a huge boost in damage. try and scroll your zhelm, and im pretty sure you can make/buy a better overall. [/quote] MoN's are currently not available to the legend classes. @TS: you do not have the funds available to pull off a successful dexless arc user. you either need to merchant more or swallow your pride and raise your base dex. seriously 10 base dex will not hurt you in the slightest and will probably save you tens to hundreds of millions.

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farouq33 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Arans cannot use MONs. I'm from mapleSEA and i know that..

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Hakizo 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Be a mand and add some more base dex, it doesn't kill to be low dex.

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ColdFridge 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lmao good luck with that black belt. It'll only take you 26 hard core days of pure dojoing.

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4thJobSeries1 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

@Riyakou: Arans can't use MoN's, thanks anyways @taleko: Use always give good advice but I can't swallow my pride I must pull off being dexless no matter how hard it is. I think I'll be happy w/ it later on and it'll help my %/Hr past level 140 when it counts. @ Hakizo: Nope I refuse to be anything higher than 4 =P @ ColdFridge: Yeah it'll be awhile but it's not like I'll be 120 anytime soon. Maybe in a month. Anyone have advice on how to stay dexless and equip an arcglaive and the most cost efficient way and w/out sacrificing str/speed/dmg (lol I make giving advice hard).

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rangedanger9 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yes, you do. You could trying getting dex earrings, makering a 5+ dex shoe and then scroll for jump and then work your way up towards a HTP if you really don't wanna raise your base dex and maybe try finding an 18 or 19 Dex Scar helm unless you hate the fugly look This probably isn't advised but you could try getting a WG, scroll the first 2 slots with dex and scroll the rest with 60%/30% (If you do use a 30, use it first) and maybe if you can be screwed, hammer it and use some more GFAs

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taleko + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] 4thJobSeries1 : @taleko: Use always give good advice but I can't swallow my pride I must pull off being dexless no matter how hard it is. I think I'll be happy w/ it later on and it'll help my %/Hr past level 140 when it counts. [/quote] I myself have far better equips and better equips lined up than you and i have 10 base on my aran. and seriously 6 stats will not affect anything 140+, i have no idea where you heard those lies but i can tell you for a fact that getting even that 7 extra dex out of your proposed setup would be far more beneficial in your weapon, heck it would probably be more efficient in your WG @Above, dex earrings are a horrible source of acc, he should not swap out for a dex scrolled glove or partially dex scrolled glove, it defeats the purpose of a dexless/lowdex arc user completely, you need to get out of dexless-sin land and into warrior mode if you want to give decent advice in the aran section. (the only possiblwe exception to this is a maker'd warrior glove with dex and scrolled for attack, but if he has over an 10-ish att glove already then its also pointelss)

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Blackmanrific 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Get some dex earrings (they are easy to find but kinda pricey). Also my advice is to get a dex overall for now as a temporary thing just so you have enough dex to wear your Arcglaive then once you get to 120 you can sell your dex overall and such buy a htp and replace your overall with str. Also using a maple karstan to 120 is also possible ive seen many arans to do your be training at gallos anyway so you wont need much power.

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4thJobSeries1 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I probably will get Dex Earrings even though they aren't that cost efficient cause Earrings can't be scrolled for Str or Att or Speed so I may as well. My Warrior Glove is already 10 Att and as I said I don't want to sacrifice damage and a dex glove would sacrifice damage by alot. I normally like to just take the best stats for the amount of mesos but I seriously cannot where a scarlion helm, I mean there's things that look bad, there's things that look ugly, there's things that look downright fugly... and then there's the scarlion hat. I may add Dex on Shoes but I'd rather add Speed/Acc and leave it to other equips and seeing how I can pull this off w/ an HT Pendant i probably will. @Taleko: I'm 100% you're right, that if I just added some Dex I could use those mesos I save to get me more attack than the 6 Str would give but I don't want to do that for 2 reasons. Second most importantly is because maplestory is a very long game and by the time I'm "near" the end level wise I'll probably have the mesos for dexless to be more cost efficient that lowdex. Like an HT Pendant is alot of mesos but for the stats it adds its actually quite cost efficient compared to many other things I'll be getting later on. And most importantly is my pride, I basically have a goal in maplestory, get to max level, be in a party that defeats pink bean and pull all of this off starting w/ 0 mesos, being dexless, never hacking, never scamming, never leeching and never buying NX w/ real life money. So yeah adding to Dex goes against the goal I have set out for myself. When/If I ever hit 200 I assume stereotypes will be placed on me. Since I'll be a Dexless Arcglaive user it'll be assumed I started funded or I scammed in order to gain mesos to be funded, if I become 200 it'll be assumed I leeched because "nobody" can get to 200 w/out leech these days. But whether they believe me or not I will be proud to say "I started dexless, I started w/ 0 funds, I started w/ 0 BoF, I never scammed, leeched, hacked or bought NX using RL money (I do use the MTS) and I'm level 200 and I was in a party that beat the Bea, WHAT NOW SUCKA!". Anyhow I can't add Dex no matter how much it probably annoys you to see someone who uses their brain to find cost efficient ways of doing things and clearly doesn't do things the most cost efficient way =P. @Blackmanrific: Yeah since Arans level fast I guess I'll just use my Karstan till 120 and get an HT Pendant then. I'll also get a Black Belt and w/ that I should have 72 Dex. I'll get a Str Top/Dex Bottom and try for a total of more than my current 17 Dex Overall and hopefully only have to get 4-6 Dex Earrings (which hopefully I can just make myself and leave the last 2 slots since I dont wanna risk it). Thanks everyone, in the near future (over a month I can't wait to be a dexless arcglaive user =D)

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Mancartia + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] taleko : I myself have far better equips and better equips lined up than you and i have 10 base on my aran. [/quote] Yeah, as a rough estimate my Aran has about a billion mesos worth of equips ready for me (due to being able to share with my DK/Paladin) and I'd still need to use a YAC to wear an Arcglaive with 4 base dex. You're right that a HT pendant would make it fairly easy though, I'd just wait for level 120+ when you can afford it.

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SarcasticJay 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

dude if you dont have the funds to make a godly CA then i advise against it. A CA is like 99-107 atk clean normal speed so if you drop pure 60's your wasting your time cause you would need 9 perfect 60's for a 121 atk at 107 clean thats hard stuff. and if you are bold use 30's but 1 goes boom and your CA is gone. to much risk for an unfunded player P120xAran has a 15x atk CA took him 16 bil to make withe whites and 50%'s. besides at gallops arans level so fast no need to swtich at 100 on the dot,id use a nice zedbug till 120 then get your htp and during this time add a bit of dex...i have 50 base using a 130 reverse and my dmg is godly,hell my range clean is like 23xx-61xx clean im 132 equips are(not including jump acc etc) lvl 70 aran ring +3 all 3 atk 130 atk 12 str 7 dex reverse pa 10 str 15 dex reverse overall (5 slots) 9str 8 dex reverse shoes (2 slots) 9 str 7 dex 12 atk reverse gloves (0 slots) all +15 z helm (10 slots) all 22+ htp 90 hp lvl 90 rose earrings (lol sold my dex ones!) 6 atk 2 luk purple witch belt i use the aran in hope medal (+2 all and) 2 atk 6 dex pac and my boost ( lvl 13 BoF) even with these i could still stan some room to improve but and fyi to all arans a normal atk weapon is only a lil better then slow normal is 3 atks-2 atk slow if your normal speed pa is not a godly one and i mean massive atk then the theory of speed>atk fails cause with 20+ atk more then a normal pole the 3-2 atk difference means little to nothing to anyone who knows better!

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4thJobSeries1 02/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well I'm not going for a Godly CA. I think you underestimate Weapon Speed. A 110 Att CA (probably what ill have) probably outdamages (in DPM) a 140 Zedbug. You have to add the Att and I guess Str and to a very small degree dex of all your equips and that's ur damage. Then that amount of damage is being dealt at a certain speed. So 110/140 is only 79% as strong but attacks ~1.18 times as fast. 79 times 1.18 is only 93 (so it's 93% as good as the zedbug). But now add in other equips. Look at ur setup 3 att ring, 10 str (2 att) overall, 9 str (1.8 att) shoes, 12 att gloves, 15 str zhelm (3 att), 22 str ht (4 att), 6 att belt, 2 att pac, 13 BoF, the brackets are just estimates. But lets compare if u were to equip say a 110 AC compared to a 140 zedbug. Now add on the attacks of ur other equips and u have a ~157 Att setup while w/ the zedbug u have a 187 Att setup. 157/187 is 84% as much. 84 times 1.18 (I'm assuming a normal attack weapon attacks 18% faster than a slow (8)) is 99. So w/ your equips I'd say a ~112 Att CA does as much DPM as a 140 Zedbug. So your range clean may be as high as it is but if u sold the reverse weapon and bought an AC using the same amount of mesos ur damage range would be lower but ur DPM would be higher. I prob won't switch to a zedbug for this reason. A 100%ed Karstan w/ my setup would out DPM a 100%ed Zedbug and the Zedbug would cost more too. Well anyhow I'll just get Crimson Wood and 60% the Arcglaive, later on I'll get a better one but for now I'll stick w/ Normal Speed weapons since I think they'll get me more %/Hr.

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Powerslashe + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

try getting a 60 dex sauna robe, 21 dex earrings, 15 dex 8 atk FS, 15 dex 10 atk pac, 27 atk bwg, 53 dex z-helm with 17 str, 16 dex broken glasses, :P

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