Which SECOND job is more fun, page or spearman?

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thread starter xbinskix Feb 06 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Which SECOND job is more fun, page or spearman? i'm asking because i like both their 3rd jobs equally. I probably wont make it to 4th because i concentrating on making 4th on my marauder. So which is more fun to level from 30-70, which is easier? I want peoples experiences unlike most threads im not asking which to choose. I just want to hear others experiences. P.S. if you say spearman because i want to stay original or w/e....get ova urself EDIT: if i go page itll be a BW page because i like how it looks, idc if my damage is a little bit less

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daniel3b 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Fun is subjective. There are pages and spearman out there who both love their class, so it's impossible to get an unbiased answer. What other people find fun or boring you may not find fun or boring, so it's impossible to answer this question. Btw, get ova urself >:[

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cookie4mesos 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

They're pretty dang similar in 2nd job, main difference being weapons, and Threaten + PG vs Iron Will + HB.

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p00npl0x3r 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DK is ranked one of the best 3rd jobs all around in the game. Crusher and Fury is amazing for 3rd job, DKs are still using them in 4th. Although dragon roar hurts their hp a lot, you can still use it to hit the full screen when hunting for say, maple shields and such.

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Mancartia + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If you think their 3rd jobs are equal, then I can't really say much except that the second jobs are even more equal. There is honestly approximately no difference between a Spearman and a BW Page. In terms of skills, training, partying - it's all identical. I have both (135 Paladin, 100 DK) and really that's all I can say - they're the same. PG and Hyper Body fill identical functions (pay 40% less on pots), while Threaten and Iron Will are both worthless in 2nd job. Obviously I liked both, but I can't really judge one as "more fun" or "easier" than the other. They're too similar. There's more of a difference between Sword Page and BW Page than between BW Page and Spearman. In every aspect I can think of - BW Page & Spearman work out the same.

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gifuu 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

yea 2nd job theyre like identical other than there buffs/debuffs, although 3rd job spearman wins out in all around fun / playability, 3rd job page is stupid and boring you have to charge then attack over and over again ... gah

AdroxNight + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Sadly, second job for all 3 warriors are about equal. Although.... The page is probobly slightly better than the Fighter thanks to Warrior Elixers (every class basically has rage now) in addition to Threaten (soon to be buffed) and they can safely choose between two weapons (no brandish). However, they will be more expensive in 2nd job, because Fighters and Spearmen use Honsters sooner and Fighters ge free Warrior Elixers (rage). And the spearman is probably bottom tier in this job solely because of their slow Spears/PAs and the unstable damage from them. However HB and their 3rd job skills soon make up for that. Other than the imput you see here, go look at the stickies and watch youtube videos and decide for yourself. If you cant decide, then just be a perma beginner. @above:all classes basically follow the pattern of buffing and attacking. Also, a White Knight can level faster than a Crusader because of two reasons. First, they can take advantage of elemental weaknesses (and just wait for fire charge to be buffed). Also Whight Knights maintain a higher consistancy in damage, while crusaders are inconsistant (and almost never come close to their theoretical maximum). This means the WK will probably maintain a higher dmp in practice.

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HeroofFury 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Uhm. To tell you the truth, fighter/page are the same if you just use a 12 atk pot for a page. + You wont get the -12 def, which could be good for less pot burn, or bad for less pg reflect damage. Spearman, id have to say are really fun because their weopons are strong and when you get an impaler, its extremely fun dishing out high damage at a fast speed. But yea, the impaler makes it real fun since its a fast speed. The other weopons are slow speed i think... or normal ( The BW and the 1h maple swords/soulsigner are fast i beleive). But any warrior gets REALLL fun imo if they have a fast weapon because its really fun just to hit at a fast pace

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AdroxNight 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] HeroofFury : Uhm. To tell you the truth, fighter/page are the same if you just use a 12 atk pot for a page. + You wont get the -12 def, which could be good for less pot burn, or bad for less pg reflect damage. Spearman, id have to say are really fun because their weopons are strong and when you get an impaler, its extremely fun dishing out high damage at a fast speed. But yea, the impaler makes it real fun since its a fast speed. The other weopons are slow speed i think... or normal ( The BW and the 1h maple swords/soulsigner are fast i beleive). But any warrior gets REALLL fun imo if they have a fast weapon because its really fun just to hit at a fast pace [/quote] I can agree there, fast speeds where what finally made me enjoy my Fighte. I regret putting of booster, but it all turned out fine in the end, and FA+Booster+WRs made the "hell levels" more fun than hell.

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Mancartia 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] HeroofFury : The other weopons are slow speed i think... or normal ( The BW and the 1h maple swords/soulsigner are fast i beleive). [/quote] The 2h BW is the slowest maple weapon. Both Spear and Polearm are faster at level 43 and 64. In general you can get normal speed Polearms in 2nd job, you can only get Slow BWs. Which is why BW Page and Spearman are more similar - the BW can have a little higher average damage but it's almost always slowest. Swords on the other hand - they're way faster (Japanese Map & Lionheart are the fastest 2nd job warrior weapons, both faster than the Impaler) and have the best damage formula, which puts them generally ahead.

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xbinskix 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Mancartia : If you think their 3rd jobs are equal, then I can't really say much except that the second jobs are even more equal. There is honestly approximately no difference between a Spearman and a BW Page. In terms of skills, training, partying - it's all identical. I have both (135 Paladin, 100 DK) and really that's all I can say - they're the same. PG and Hyper Body fill identical functions (pay 40% less on pots), while Threaten and Iron Will are both worthless in 2nd job. Obviously I liked both, but I can't really judge one as "more fun" or "easier" than the other. They're too similar. There's more of a difference between Sword Page and BW Page than between BW Page and Spearman. In every aspect I can think of - BW Page & Spearman work out the same. [/quote] "Sadly, second job for all 3 warriors are about equal. Although.... The page is probobly slightly better than the Fighter thanks to Warrior Elixers (every class basically has rage now) in addition to Threaten (soon to be buffed) and they can safely choose between two weapons (no brandish). However, they will be more expensive in 2nd job, because Fighters and Spearmen use Honsters sooner and Fighters ge free Warrior Elixers (rage). And the spearman is probably bottom tier in this job solely because of their slow Spears/PAs and the unstable damage from them. However HB and their 3rd job skills soon make up for that." This was quoted from adroxnight...see there is a difference

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Mancartia + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

- rage vs. threaten: In the time it takes to cast threaten, you could attack an extra time and kill the monster. It's defense as a tradeoff for offense, you have to cast it on every monster you want it to work on. So I guess it's a difference if you want it to be one, but I never saw it as an improvement in 2nd job. - choose between two weapons: Polearms and Swords are superior in 2nd job, just like Swords are better for Fighters. Each class makes the same choice. - more expensive in 2nd job due to pots: Doesn't this balance out with Threaten? :| Pages can't take more and less damage and have both count as differences. - Spearmen are slow and unstable: Inaccurate on the first (you can get through 2nd job entirely on Normal speed Polearms while still upgrading every 10 levels), instability is shared with Spearman and BW Page anyway. Obviously they're different, the little plaque that says "Spearman" on one says "Page" on the other. But I'm talking about differences that contribute to "fun" or "easy", of which none of these really do. More critically, all of these differences are entirely compensated by equipment - a defensively equipped Spearman will take less damage than an offensively equipped page despite differences in Threaten and HB. An offense equipped Spearman will outdamage the typical Page/Fighter.

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mulhamdisturbed 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

if ur talking abt fun i say both spearman or fighter but page i don't think so.

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azntuan 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

They are the samething just with some difference skill.

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Senyain + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The ONLY difference between the warrior 2nd jobs, other than the relatively minor factors of HB and Threaten (Rage for Fighters, which is a bit less minor), is in the weapons they can use. So you can compare them, I'll just list their average STR multipliers for max damage, as well as the attacking speeds of the most common ones you'd use for 2nd job. This way you can compare how much stronger one is than another. 1h swords: power factor = 4, most common speed = 92-100 att/min, can use shields and/or weapons with bonus speed 1h axes/blunt weapons: power factor = 3.92, most common speed = 83 att/min, can use shields, crappy knockback 2h swords: power factor = 4.6, most common speed = 100 att/min 2h axes/blunt weapons: power factor = 4.24, most common speed = 80 att/min, crappy knockback Spears: power factor = 3.8, most common speed = 83-100 att/min, crappy knockback Polearms: power factor = 4.2, most common speed = 83-92 att/min, crappy knockback You really, really, REALLY should gauge this based on which 3rd job's gameplay style you prefer rather than 2nd, but if you're staying in 2nd, I strongly support Page over Spearman due to the option of using swords. If you are settled on using BWs as a Page even after viewing the above, then there's nothing I can do for you.

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