is an 8att shield enough to go 1h?

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thread starter yoshidude90 Feb 06 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

if i would use an 8 att shield for my warior will it be enough to be a decent enough 1h sword user? Or would it still be bad?

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MyMemoir 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm not really sure since I never made a Hero, however I did hear the minimum is around 10 Attack. You can use that and upgrade later.

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yoshidude90 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] MyMemoir : I'm not really sure since I never made a Hero, however I did hear the minimum is around 10 Attack. You can use that and upgrade later. [/quote] 10att minimum ? =/ damm

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onurrr 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well if u got a high blessing lvl then it could be ok

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yoshidude90 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] onurrr : well if u got a high blessing lvl then it could be ok [/quote] i have 12 blessing on my FIghter

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FuzzyWontonz 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Usually minimum is 14 attack

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arwenthir 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I did the math back when I had a crusader. When you compare the 2h dmg formula with the 1h one, you would need atleast a 14~15 att shield. If you are aiming to use a red katana it would be 13~14 cus of the speed making up the DPM. Your best bet is going 16 att shield + 120+ Sparta.

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SilentXynh + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

A lot of people are probably going to flame me for this, but IMO any att shield is good enough to go 1H. (in most cases) The 16 att or whatever people say is needed is just to match the damage range of a 2H user. Without an attack shield, the speed advantage over the 2H more or less evens it out. (probably comparing a normal (6) 2H sword with a fast(5) 1H sword) Of course when you're comparing to NRW and ST users, it'd be a different story. (but those would have to sacrifice some possible att equips for dex equips)

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[quote] SilentXynh : A lot of people are probably going to flame me for this, but IMO any att shield is good enough to go 1H. (in most cases) The 16 att or whatever people say is needed is just to match the damage range of a 2H user. Without an attack shield, the speed advantage over the 2H more or less evens it out. (probably comparing a normal (6) 2H sword with a fast(5) 1H sword) Of course when you're comparing to NRW and ST users, it'd be a different story. (but those would have to sacrifice some possible att equips for dex equips) [/quote] Note: I'm not flaming you. Alright, I'm using a 119/11 NRW U/H. It's a fast sword which hits 88 times per minute. My max damage is 57k per hit which makes it 5.016.000 damage per minute max. A RK (faster sword than the NRW so we are going to do some maths) hits 102 times per minute. Makes it 5.016.000/102 = 49k damage each hit. 49k is the Break-evenpoint for a RK to top my NRW. My 96/5 RK hits around 18/18's which makes it 36k. To top this you at least need a godly RK. Just getting 13k damage out of an weapon costs you hella lot of money. To top out a 2H sword you either need to get a 115att+ RK or a 100att + 15att shield. I don't really see the point of switching to sparta unless you can afford both godly sword and shield. A sparta is not much faster than a NRW, is it even faster?

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yoshidude90 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] JzAero : Note: I'm not flaming you. Alright, I'm using a 119/11 NRW U/H. It's a fast sword which hits 88 times per minute. My max damage is 57k per hit which makes it 5.016.000 damage per minute max. A RK (faster sword than the NRW so we are going to do some maths) hits 102 times per minute. Makes it 5.016.000/102 = 49k damage each hit. 49k is the Break-evenpoint for a RK to top my NRW. My 96/5 RK hits around 18/18's which makes it 36k. To top this you at least need a godly RK. Just getting 13k damage out of an weapon costs you hella lot of money. To top out a 2H sword you either need to get a 115att+ RK or a 100att + 15att shield. I don't really see the point of switching to sparta unless you can afford both godly sword and shield. A sparta is not much faster than a NRW, is it even faster? [/quote] no a sparta is slower and i get your point. altought i dont really feel like dexing up my fighter to become a NRW (30dex base atm)

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jone 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

An 8att is pretty good. That should last you until level 100-ish on an average Hero's equip needs thingy. If you're really that unfunded, aim for a 10att. The 2att actually will help a lot.

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yoshidude90 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] jone : An 8att is pretty good. That should last you until level 100-ish on an average Hero's equip needs thingy. If you're really that unfunded, aim for a 10att. The 2att actually will help a lot. [/quote] howmuch do you reckon a 10 att fence will cost?

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Skrato 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You can go 1h without an atk shield, there were many 1h warrior before we even had them. You can benefit from the increased speed and agility which may fit your style. The atk on a shield is just a bonus, I would go 1h even if I didnt have an atk shield.

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yoshidude90 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i will try out both with training and well see what suits me best

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Senyain 02/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Skrato is right. Attack shields were never at any point "necessary" to play 1-handed, and without them most 1-handeds can still outkill most 2-handeds, due to the faster speed and lower cost. The big difference is that now there are fast 2h swords, namely Japanese Map, NRW, and Ribgol, which are relevant mainly from levels 50-70 and from 90+. Matching those is when an attack shield becomes necessary, and for that more than 8 is usually necessary. But if you're trying to match, say, a DS or Claymore then an attack shield isn't even necessary at all. [quote] JzAero : Alright, I'm using a 119/11 NRW U/H. It's a fast sword which hits 88 times per minute. My max damage is 57k per hit which makes it 5.016.000 damage per minute max. A RK (faster sword than the NRW so we are going to do some maths) hits 102 times per minute. Makes it 5.016.000/102 = 49k damage each hit. 49k is the Break-evenpoint for a RK to top my NRW. My 96/5 RK hits around 18/18's which makes it 36k. To top this you at least need a godly RK. Just getting 13k damage out of an weapon costs you hella lot of money. To top out a 2H sword you either need to get a 115att+ RK or a 100att + 15att shield. [/quote] Sorry for this, but your comparison is extremely invalid. First, your NRW is WAY more costly than your RK. Why are you comparing 119 to 96? That's not even close to equal spending. Secondly, you're comparing your max with the NRW to your average with the RK. If you max 57k with a 119 NRW and moderate equips/buff then you should be maxing at *least* 42k with a RK without a shield. Thirdly, where's the attack shield since you're comparing to a NRW? Fourthly, you have the speeds wrong - RK should be around 97, not 102, with any attack that has 88 with Fast(5). Finally, why again are you comparing a 96 att RK with no shield to a 119 att NRW and using that to draw conclusions about 1h vs. 2h swords?

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