Is Final Attack Necessary for Brandish?

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thread starter Zer0ne Aug 16 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I have made a DW and have been researching the guides for assistance with respect to skills. I am stumped as to whether or not I should put points into final attack or not. I have seen some say FA can be turned on and off, but that brandish will activate it. I think I could do without it, but if brandish is activating it.. is this necessary? Plus would it adversely affect the effect of brandish if there is no FA to activate? Having made a Sader also, I have not seen the overwhelming positive results of Final Attack, yet more often than I wish, I have found myself in a sticky situation swinging in the wrong direction, and wouldn't ya know, FA kicks in to delay my turn-around even longer. Thanks for any insight into this.

BabysAreFood 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Final Attack has its uses if you choose to fight weaker bosses, so its worth putting some points in. It's not so annoying as before when you couldn't turn it off. There's also not really any other places that are worth putting those excess points in other than Iron Armor and Sprite which are even more useless.

theDeprived 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm a 1h Sader. I just hit 3rd Job for the first time (without help from friends). Using a Red Katana (101 Att 7 Str) and a 16 Att 9 Str Wooden Fence is Friggen sweet! Super quick attacks, and on Power-Strike I can max out at 5.6k-ish damage with three Combo's filled. I'm still level 70, so I have yet to feel the damage difference. Even if I am caught swinging the wrong way with my red Katana- FA ends so quickly I can usually turn around before the monster hits me.

chichi98 08/16/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

1. It's an active buff like boaster, 2. It's been proven to not nerf the damage of Brandish 3. It does activate with brandish 4.DO IT IT HELPS SOLOING A HELL OF A LOT TILLL YOU GET BRANDISH

Takeback3r Aug 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

chichi98 : 1. It's an active buff like boaster, 2. It's been proven to not nerf the damage of Brandish 3. It does activate with brandish 4.DO IT IT HELPS SOLOING A HELL OF A LOT TILLL YOU GET BRANDISH 2) It's also been proven to not help your damage that much either. 4) No it doesn't. Nice bump on an old thread by the way.

Shrimpworld 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

it helps. i maxed it

Superalmightyon 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Takeback3r : 2) It's also been proven to not help your damage that much either. 4) No it doesn't. Nice bump on an old thread by the way. A couple weapon attack doesn't increase your damage that much either. But people spend tens and hundreds of millions for a few attack. Even if it's not "that much", it's still something.

MrAero 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

theDeprived : I'm a 1h Sader. I just hit 3rd Job for the first time (without help from friends). Using a Red Katana (101 Att 7 Str) and a 16 Att 9 Str Wooden Fence is Friggen sweet! Super quick attacks, and on Power-Strike I can max out at 5.6k-ish damage with three Combo's filled. I'm still level 70, so I have yet to feel the damage difference. Even if I am caught swinging the wrong way with my red Katana- FA ends so quickly I can usually turn around before the monster hits me. He's talking about dawn warriors, not crusaders :P

Takeback3r 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Superalmightyon : A couple weapon attack doesn't increase your damage that much either. But people spend tens and hundreds of millions for a few attack. Even if it's not "that much", it's still something. A couple weapon attack is a big deal. Tell the windian/scanian PB attempters that a few weapon attack isn't a big deal. Guess what also comes with FA? Lack of control. Something far more detrimental that makes the +3% DPM not worth it at all.

Cy 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

FA is pretty much useless, other than for 70~119 crusaders who need it for gaining a faster amount of combo, but DW's can use soul driver/blade for easy combo gain too.

Superalmightyon 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Takeback3r : A couple weapon attack is a big deal. Tell the windian/scanian PB attempters that a few weapon attack isn't a big deal. Guess what also comes with FA? Lack of control. Something far more detrimental that makes the +3% DPM not worth it at all. So 3, 4 or 5 w.att is a big deal but 3% dpm (which roughly equals about 4-5 w.att) is not a big deal? Even though it's free and you don't need to sacrifice anything to get it? If you've seen brandish with FA, you don't get as much lack of control as you do with PS.

cdcase 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

you can do fa with extra points cuz unlike regular fa you can choose to cast it or not. so yah some points into it are fine.

Takeback3r 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Superalmightyon : So 3, 4 or 5 w.att is a big deal but 3% dpm (which roughly equals about 4-5 w.att) is not a big deal? Even though it's free and you don't need to sacrifice anything to get it? If you've seen brandish with FA, you don't get as much lack of control as you do with PS. It isn't free, you sacrifice your control. Sure you do. FA with brandish isn't any faster than FA with PS.

Shrimpworld 08/17/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

max eet.

Superalmightyon Aug 17 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It's not the speed, it's the fact that the FA hit comes instantaneously after the 2nd brandish hit, meaning you can't get knocked back and miss the FA hit. Whereas with PS+FA, the final attack hit is just another slightly faster attack, with brandish, the FA comes immediately after. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpgIboK3bcg (youtube) The person in the above video does not get KB'd and miss even once with FA on. If the brandish hits, the FA hits. (skip to 1:10 to see how quickly FA follows brandish) I'd also like to add that other than brandish, FA helps when using PS too. It helps kill those extra stragglers quicker, and doesn't activate with blade or driver.