Bishop ele staff/wand penalty?

basilmarket.com forums : Mage | 16 posts archived

thread starter ZaidSeller Aug 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I heard theres a penelty for ele staffs for bishops. I was just wondering wut the penalty is and wut it dose. Dose it make u att slower? Dose it effect ur dmg? if u have any extra info on it plz tell me. Thx in advace

BadBwaiX Aug 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

eswarrr : Man you are a big joke! Take my words, an AM of equal level and equal stats as a bishop will NEVER be able to do more damage on the undeads. My friend, you shouldn't say things you don't know. If you were in Khaini, I would show you myself. It seems you do not know how much damage a Elemental Wand/Staff adds. Bishops hit even less now with the Penalty..most will.

aznkd9411 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

off topic question. what ele wands/staffs do i/l mages use?

eswarrr Aug 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

BadBwaiX : My friend, you shouldn't say things you don't know. If you were in Khaini, I would show you myself. It seems you do not know how much damage a Elemental Wand/Staff adds. Bishops hit even less now with the Penalty..most will. Im speaking things I don't know? lol. I believe it's the other way around. On Undeads AM with max blizzard hits 570*1.4*1.25=997. Bishop with max genesis does 670*1.5= 1005. A Bishop ALWAYS hits more than a AM on undead. What will you show if Im in Khaini, an AM doing more damage on skele compared to a bishop? Again you are a huge joke. Bishops even with a 100+ stat shine wand/wisdom staff should do more damage than an AM.

uberpwan23 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

they can use reverse/timeless wands

MMan222 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

uberpwan23 : they can use reverse/timeless wands The lukless bishops are off crying in some hole somewhere...

sakuraly 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

-touches my e-wand 7- yes...that's a good wand :D

eswarrr 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

MMan222 : The lukless bishops are off crying in some hole somewhere... Doomsday staves are there for the rescue.

Fairybelle 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

MMan222 : The lukless bishops are off crying in some hole somewhere... Only the ones without a good Shine Wand or Wisdom Staff as back up. I've seen some godly ones out there that makes me wanna QQ.

lewisrock 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

MrSaigon : I dont think its fair. Let assume your using an ele wand 7 on a bishop. That means your adding ice element to your genesis. I dont understand why it should be weaker. Unless its on an ice monster. I believe that it should just be the same on a regular monster as blizzard would be. wth...u dunt even no what u talking about ele wand/staff DUNT add ice or thunder to gene they BOOST ice/thunder therefor if the ele wand/staff dunt boost the element of the skill ur using the dmg will decrease, as easy as that. and its totally fair that the dmg penalty is fair because ele wand/staff are made for AMs and mages not for bishops and thats the reason that ele wand's price were sky high b4 cause bishop keep wanting them now the AMs and mages can finally get what they are suppose to get without spending like 800mill+

BadBwaiX 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

eswarrr : Im speaking things I don't know? lol. I believe it's the other way around. On Undeads AM with max blizzard hits 570*1.4*1.25=997. Bishop with max genesis does 670*1.5= 1005. A Bishop ALWAYS hits more than a AM on undead. What will you show if Im in Khaini, an AM doing more damage on skele compared to a bishop? Again you are a huge joke. Bishops even with a 100+ stat shine wand/wisdom staff should do more damage than an AM. LOL Your a joke trying to prove me wrong. W/e you think, I really don't care >.> but I do believe you didn't add Matt from a Elemental Wand. ^.^ Either ways, your wrong.

eswarrr Aug 13 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

BadBwaiX : LOL Your a joke trying to prove me wrong. I don't have to prove you are wrong, from your arguements everybody can see that you are a moron. BadBwaiX : W/e you think, I really don't care >.> What do I think of you? you are just arguing from what you heard. You never had any experience with any of the 4th job characters or even 3rd job. BadBwaiX : but I do believe you didn't add Matt from a Elemental Wand. ^.^ Either ways, your wrong. I didn't add it, but didn't you see the base att of Genesis is more than Blizz.Even with the m.att an AM get from ele wands, they CAN NOT outdamage a bishop at undeads. Prove me if I am wrong. TO SHUT YOU UP, HERE IS SOME REAL EXAMPLE Bishop At Level 150, Holyliir (photobucket) has a magic of 944 and int of 779 . His Maximum damage on skeles will be 65358 . Archmage(I/L) At Level 150, Chrozome (photobucket) Lets consider, he also has same stats of 944 magic and 779 int and he holds an Elemental wand to get the extra boost. His maximum damage on skeles will be 64870 . An AM of equal level and equal stats as a bishop will never outdamage Bishop on undeads, yes even with an ele wand. Get that into your head and stop talking about things that you don't know. Calculator .

tyrant2900 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

aznkd9411 : off topic question. what ele wands/staffs do i/l mages use? of the top of my head i know that as far as e wands i/l mages use e wands 3/4 and 7/8 idk if it goes the same as far as staffs. if you ask me its better to go for the wands anyways as they dont need luk and would work way better for even low luk mages. i know its possible to have low luk and use a lvl 103 e staff but it would take a of luk from equips which would cost a lot ( tho still cheaper then same stat int equips), as for the lvl 164 (i think) e staffs a mage would have to add what would be considered normal luk for mages to cap off at and would still take a lot of luk from equips.

Tatterdragon 08/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ZaidSeller : I heard theres a penelty for ele staffs for bishops. I was just wondering wut the penalty is and wut it dose. Dose it make u att slower? Dose it effect ur dmg? if u have any extra info on it plz tell me. Thx in advace Elemental wands have always had a +25% damage bonus to their primary element, a +10% damage bonus to their secondary element, and a -25% damage penalty to all other elements except holy . Until recently, holy magic was completely unaffected by elemental weapons. Recently though Nexon changed it so that holy magic receives the -25% damage penalty as well. Here's an example of what this can do: Assume you're a bishop with 1,000 magic even without a weapon equipped. Adding a clean elemental wand, you get 142 m.atk and 2 int, so that's 1,144 magic total. But then the penalty attacks... Because holy magic is now counted as the wrong element on all elemental weapons, your total magic is multiplied by 0.75 for your damage. That puts the bishop a long way back, with the equivalent of only 858 magic. As a result, you could do more damage with a level 0 beginner sword than you could with an elemental wand. =/

STRZkillaz Aug 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

eswarrr : I don't have to prove you are wrong, from your arguements everybody can see that you are a moron. What do I think of you? you are just arguing from what you heard. You never had any experience with any of the 4th job characters or even 3rd job. I didn't add it, but didn't you see the base att of Genesis is more than Blizz.Even with the m.att an AM get from ele wands, they CAN NOT outdamage a bishop at undeads. Prove me if I am wrong. TO SHUT YOU UP, HERE IS SOME REAL EXAMPLE Bishop At Level 150, Holyliir (photobucket) has a magic of 944 and int of 779 . His Maximum damage on skeles will be 65358 . Archmage(I/L) At Level 150, Chrozome (photobucket) Lets consider, he also has same stats of 944 magic and 779 int and he holds an Elemental wand to get the extra boost. His maximum damage on skeles will be 64870 . An AM of equal level and equal stats as a bishop will never outdamage Bishop, yes even with an ele wand. Get that into your head and stop talking about things that you don't know. Calculator . Sorry to burst your bubble but we do outdamage bishops. You are just talking about skeles which of course is holy weak. Bishops can only outdamage us at skeles, which is the best training place until dukus come out. But on neutral monsters we can outdamage bishops any day.

gstatue Aug 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

STRZkillaz : Sorry to burst your bubble but we do outdamage bishops. You are just talking about skeles which of course is holy weak. Bishops can only outdamage us at skeles, which is the best training place until dukus come out. But on neutral monsters we can outdamage bishops any day. ....He's talking about holy-weak monsters. There's no bubble to be burst, he admits that bishops do more than ice/fire's on HOLY WEAKS. NJ trying to be all BA. eswarr : I didn't add it, but didn't you see the base att of Genesis is more than Blizz.Even with the m.att an AM get from ele wands, they CAN NOT outdamage a bishop at undeads. Prove me if I am wrong. TO SHUT YOU UP, HERE IS SOME REAL EXAMPLE Bishop At Level 150, Holyliir (photobucket) has a magic of 944 and int of 779. His Maximum damage on skeles will be 65358. Archmage(I/L) At Level 150,Chrozome (photobucket) Lets consider, he also has same stats of 944 magic and 779 int and he holds an Elemental wand to get the extra boost. His maximum damage on skeles will be 64870. An AM of equal level and equal stats as a bishop will never outdamage Bishop, yes even with an ele wand. Get that into your head and stop talking about things that you don't know. Calculator. Yeah, you're right. xd. But, while same magic/int stats will see a bishop as the stronger of the two on undeads, there's a bit of...discrepancy. See, a 130 lukless bishop with a 10x stats maple shine would be outdamaged by a 130 lukless arch with a 15x stats ele wand, simply because of the 50 magic gap. If you give the bishop more int from other equips, it's not a fair comparison. You'd have to give the same int from OA's, earrings, gloves, etc etc. Giving a bishop 50 more magic from equips is favoritism that they only gain because they are ineligible to use ele wands. So TECHNICALLY, archs would outdamage bishops. Technically. Same magic same int comparisons, the bishop comes out on top though. No getting around it. But: BadBwaiX : LOL Your a joke trying to prove me wrong. W/e you think, I really don't care >.> but I do believe you didn't add Matt from a Elemental Wand. ^.^ Either ways, your wrong. You're such a generic whiner on forums. You claim false info, then when someone proves you wrong, you respond with "lolidontcaresrsy2say." Obviously you DO care because you bothered to type all of that out. GG trying to justify yourself. At least man up when you do it instead of saying that you don't care. Your 3rd line is right. "Either way you're wrong" lolno.