Bandit's "Steal" Skill

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thread starter WickedHawt Jul 28 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

One of the main reason's I became a Bandit over a Assassin was the Steal skill. Without the steal skill a "Thief" class is really more of a ninja yah? Thieve's steal things hahah. Anyways. I was extremely disappointed with this skill. I have mine maxed (LVL 30). It's supposed to have a 40% success rate at lvl 30. I find that I'm only able to steal something using the move 1 out of every 7-10 uses. @ 40% success rate it should be RARE that it takes more than 3 uses (120% success rate, although I know, it's not accumulative). Even when it steals mesos its a smaller amount than the monster drops from dying. Not ENTIRELY sure on this one, but when the move successfully steals mesos it seems to lower the amount of mesos that it drops from dying. Has anyone else had better luck using this skill and stealing at a better success rate?

LampShadow 07/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yeah, I wish thieves and bandits especially had more thief-like skills. Like stealing, setting traps and lock-picking skills (though I'm not sure how those would apply to maple lol). If steal had a 50% success rate and had an increased drop rate applied to the hit then I think it would be more worth it. Or even if they changed the formula so that it was based on your level in comparison to the monster, or even make it a passive skill like pick pocket. Unfortunately though I think steal will go the way of shield mastery and other useless skills, because not enough people care about it for them to want to change it I guess.

WickedHawt 07/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yeah really, I like both those skill ideas that would be awesome hahah. Yeah they should do something different with the skill. And I like the passive thing too, that's what I had thought of as a way to change it (I'd rather have it even be 20% chance passive than the "40%" it is now). 50% would be better or making it ACTUALLY be 40% or something. They did change the assaulter range which was nice, maybe one day they'll make steal worthwhile xD

Kazegiri 07/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I KNOW! Steal was the reason I became a bandit too XP I really wish it was a passive skill too... like 5-10% chance to work when maxed, but it applies to every hit :p (so 6 hits for SB) That'd be really great :p

Axel35 07/28/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

sb was the reason i became 1. passive would be nice =)

MsBandit96 07/29/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

if you ask me, if it successfully steals something it should stun the monster. Monster: wtf? someone stole my ilbies D: I'm too upset to move. Oh look little birds flying around my head.

WickedHawt 07/31/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lol xD Yeah that would be awesome with sb *drools* hahah

shagreenheart 08/06/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

steal is the reason i became a bandit as well, and even with mine at level one (my account was hacked) it steals fairly often in the ludi pq. when you steal mesos from an enemy, you steal half of what they drop. then they can drop mesos when they die, meaning you gain 50% more than normal. just wait until you're a shadower with taunt. it'll pay off then. oh and shield mastery isn't useless in my opinion. the level 120 shield starts with 84 def. that's instantly 164 def. you can easily take 84 to 100, meaning 200 w.def on a single equip. sorry but that is a ton for a thief. at level 120 a thief can have over 850 weapon defense but yeah, wait until you get some points in taunt! this is how it goes. when you steal an item, except mesos, it is removed from the drop list, meaning your drop rate goes up one in the fractions of all the possible drops. that's sweet. so if you are item hunting, the ideal combo is to steal, THEN taunt. because taunt wouldn't increase your chances of stealing or what the item is you would steal. so you steal which by itself increases the drop rate of other items because it can't drop twice (except mesos), then increase that by 40% with taunt. swipe!

KinkePenguin 08/06/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Drum Bunnies+Steal= Epic Win?

LampShadow Aug 06 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

KinkePenguin : Drum Bunnies+Steal= Epic Win? Probably not, in the time it takes you to use steal on 5 bunnies (and you'll be killing them in one hit anyways most likely) you could have killed 30 of them with band of thieves. If you're below 3rd job then you might as well use savage blow to kill them, because a monster won't drop an item twice (meaning if you steal an item it won't drop an item). Steal in it's current form is essentially worthless, and I don't see how taunt would improve it's chances any. At that level you won't have time to steal and then use taunt, because the hit from steal will kill most monsters you're farming on anyways. Even if that combination managed to increase the drop rate even by a little, it would be useless over a period of time because of how long it would take you to attack single monsters repeatedly rather than mobbing them. You're better off just using boomerang step and band of thieves to kill huge amounts of monsters at that level, and maybe throwing in taunt for the drop rate boost. Taunt's full potential is in increasing the exp gained from monsters though, rather than the drop rate increase. And about the shield...while it's true CB's don't have much else to max in their late 11x's, I highly doubt maxing shield mastery for the timeless shield is even worth it. A shadower has no need for extra defense when he's already blessed with: 40% of all hits miss with fake, you only take 50% of all damage due to meso guard, while in darksight you take no physical damage, when using boomerang step you're completely invincible, if needed disorder can get you out of many dangerous situations, and even without skills he still has incredibly high natural avoid. The level 120 shield would only be worth using if it was scrolled with 8-12 atk; but even then it would only be on equal footing with clean dragon khanjars, which are cheaper and more readily available. Warriors are meant to be strong defensively, while thieves are meant to have high avoid. Warriors get shield mastery as well, but even they don't put points into it. The only time I can think of weapon defense making a difference is in your 5x-6x when monsters start doing 200-300 damage to you and you end up burning a lot of pots. A zhelm easily fixes this situation though, and any point after that monsters will begin doing 1-2k to you (with meso guard) and a difference of 50 damage won't matter much

shagreenheart 08/06/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

max fake, high avoid, and high w.def ! zhelm - 150 prisnid - 125 lubav - 46 moonsteed - 70 list - 200 ht necklace - 230? 820/30 something w.def + meso guard since we rarely get hit after maxing fake combined with our avoid from ap and armors/weapons and maple warrior, why NOT have high def? Max Fake + Max Endure + Max Meso Guard + Max Shield Mastery + ^insane w.def & avoid and why not add an archer elixir PLUS MAX CHAKRA = A solo artist tank shadower who can safely Chakra in a mob and spends no money on HP potions. aka survival bandit. and if by some fluke you are hit during chakra, MG makes it 106% damage from 112%. so if an enemy normally hits you with 2k damage, that's just 2,120 (on paper) instead. not a big deal and you wouldn't really train on enemies that can 1hko you anyway.

YaItsKynic Aug 06 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

shagreenheart : the level 120 shield starts with 84 def. that's instantly 164 def. you can easily take 84 to 100, meaning 200 w.def on a single equip. sorry but that is a ton for a thief. at level 120 a thief can have over 850 weapon defense What shield are you talking about? My dragon khanjar has 4 W. Def. So the maxed skill would add 4 defense.. Please get your facts straight. Or if you mean the reverse one.. I have yet to see one of those.

shagreenheart 08/07/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

yeah which level 120 shield, who's weapon defense would sail it to 164 when doubled with shield mastery did you think i was talkin about smartguy? you can see them online or in the game where you can make them yourself... but i have e-mailed nexon a million times, and you guys should do the same, saying that shield mastery should double ALL stats on a shield, including m.def, dex, w.att, etc., or at least bring it up by 60% like regular mastery

Mejust Aug 07 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

shagreenheart : yeah which level 120 shield, who's weapon defense would sail it to 164 when doubled with shield mastery did you think i was talkin about smartguy? you can see them online or in the game where you can make them yourself... but i have e-mailed nexon a million times, and you guys should do the same, saying that shield mastery should double ALL stats on a shield, including m.def, dex, w.att, etc., or at least bring it up by 60% like regular mastery Brokenheid ist brokenheid. Doubling all stats when maxed would mean some people could get a 30+ Att boost. Now, nexon is insane, but they aren't THAT insane. Everybody knows that that would be too broken. And shagreenheart means this thing. Too bad it's still a worthless shield because; A) Def still means nothing in this game B) The Dragon Khanjar is much easier to get C) The Dragon Khanjar comes clean with 15 Att average, but this peaks at 19 Att. With those hammers available now it's arguably quite easy to scroll them into 30+ Att shields. D) The reverse List has a Dex requirement of 160. I'm now just gonna say to you what I always have said, go back to where you came from. OH, AND DON'T REVIVE THREADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN POSTED IN FOR A WEEK.

shagreenheart 08/07/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lol, don't tell me how to post. i post here because i love the bandit class, but it's not the same reason you love it so you freak out. i posted in this thread because people know nothing about steal, and just ignore it. 160 dex isn't a big deal, and 830 w.def, plus an apple or a pain reliever, and casting meso gaurd will turn you into a tank. if you play for max damage i suggest you just entertain yourself with a calculator. to me, that's not fun, and that has no bearing on you.