Homosexuality and Government (NOT Religion)
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thread starter MaikuX3 Jul 19 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
Warning, Wall of Text Ahead Yes, I know it�s another thread about homosexuality. But this time, I really want to leave religion out of this thread and talk about equal rights. Me personally, I support same-sex marriage to the fullest extent and I am very glad to live in the U.S. state where it was first legalized. However, I do not mind if one opposes same sex marriage, especially if it is for religious beliefs. Yes, for a majority of marriages being religious affiliated and a good amount of religions looking down upon homosexuality, and I do admit that even though I disagree, same-sex marriage would be a contradiction to most religions. HOWEVER, not everyone in the U.S. is religious. There are many people in this country (especially in our generation) that are not religious and/or do not plan on having a religious wedding ceremony. Heck, when I plan to get married, I hope to get married on a beach and have Riki Rachtman read our wedding vows. Me, I believe if gay people are going to be the only ones singled out, then I believe in terms of the government, EVERYONE should have a civil union. A partnership of either two people heterosexual or two homosexual people, with all the same marriage benefits under the U.S. law. With this, all couples will have to apply for a civil union before they can get married. Then after a couple applies for the civil union, then a couple can do whatever they want with it, whether to get married in a church or at a Vegas hotel. That way there would be different titles in the eyes of many religions, but in the government's eyes, all registered couples would have a civil union and all couples would have the same partnership benefits. Now THAT would be true separation of church and state. I know my proposal above is only a basic idea and is probably not going to happen in the U.S. anytime soon, but I'm trying to make a point. A whole lot of religious people claim that allowing same-sex marriage would be a contradiction to separation of church and state. But when it comes to civil unions or even domestic partnerships, some of those same religious people are preventing homosexual couples from getting the same rights and benefits of heterosexual couples, trying to make the two couples unequal under the law, thus the religious people are not abiding to separation of church and state. Homosexual couples are going to be with each other no matter what so what are you trying to prove making them unequal? Are you trying to prove that you support discrimination of people that are different from yourself? Like I said, for religious reasons, I can understand why one would not support same-sex marriage. But to the ones that do not support same-sex civil unions or domestic partnerships, I ask you why. And when I ask you, I want you to give me an answer that is not religious affiliated. I don't want answers like "It�s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" or "Random Leviticus verse from the Bible says so", because civil unions and domestic
FreeSamples 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
That's a lot of text ill read it right now.
Sideshoyru 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
I.. don't even want to read all that. But I'm gonna go with the first option.
LimusocoBobo 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
LimusocoBoboYes, yes. Equal rights for all. Next up is incestuous and polygamous couples. Where's their equal rights?
RiftRun 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
The main argument against homosexuality is from religion. You don't have an argument without it.
Malon89 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
I say leaders of different religions should be able to choose whether or not homosexuals can marry within their religions. However, I do believe that same sex marriages should be considered legal by the state and federal government.
FreeSamples 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
LimusocoBobo said: "Yes, yes. Equal rights for all. Next up is incestuous and polygamous couples. Where's their equal rights?" We can like set up sanctuary's for them like animals.
thefighter 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
It's a good idea I would say, it's not marrige, but it would do the same thing under a diffrent name, but, no matter what, the Catholic church is not going to allow same sex marrige for a while, if ever...
BurninDavyn 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
I'm not sure if in the poll you mean "by religion" meaning you have a religion against it, or just support it. I'm agnostic myself and I wouldn't really consider it a religion, so I'll vote option #2 even though I am 100% for it.
boogeybro 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
boogeybrofact: There is no logical reason to not let gay couples marry
Gleamer 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
Too bad everyone doesn't follow the path of nihilism like I do. Then the world would be peaceful.
thefighter 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
boogeybro said: "fact: There is no logical reason to not let gay couples marry" Fact: Your opinion is not fact!
ipyroi 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
Sad, for the people who chose option #1.
boogeybro 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
boogeybrothefighter said: " Fact: Your opinion is not fact!" Give me a logical reason why it shouldn't be allowed, then? Note that logic=/=personal morals, religion
onfireman 07/19/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT
what if I wanted to marry my sister? my pet dog? my imaginary best friend? do I get same rights
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