Christian Relationsihps

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thread starter PandaAttack Jul 01 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

My friends boyfriend broke up with her because she isn't Christian, and that his pastor told him it was against the Bible to be in a relationship with a "nonbeliever." Does it really state anywhere in the Bible that a Christian can't be with a non-Christian?

Gunnar 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Even if it is in the Bible, that still sounds wrong.

ixaxtav 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Pastor, monks, and mentors are all full of it. They always try to deceive you from reality just for their own personal gain. Yesterday I saw this thread of a guy that couldn't eat meat, just because of this stupid monk told him he will be cursed if he does >____>;.

omnommm 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

rhythm said: "the pastor is jealous." Quoted for truth.

Lengai 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Kollle said: " I'm not sure that you're in the right here. I looked the matter up, and found this interesting bit. link It mentions several interesting things. For starters, if you are married to an unbeliever, it would be wrong to leave him/her. (1 Corinthians 7:10; cf. vss. 12,13) Of course, these two weren't married yet, but Paul was around, those sorts of dating relationships were not allowed. The rules for marriage could probably be applied to dating as well. "I wrote to you before not to associate with immoral people; I did not at all mean the immoral people of the world... for then you would have to go out of the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he should be an immoral person..." (1 Corinthians 5:9-11) In other words, it is fine to have a relationship with a nonbeliever, so long as that does not impair your own faith. Heck, you say that yourself. But a relationship with someone of a different religious orientation is quite common these days. It does not at all have to impede upon faith. Two people can get along quite well without agreeing in the slightest on religion, thank you very much." I disagree. When it was saying that it was wrong for a believer to leave a non-believing spouse, this was the time when Christianity first came out. One spouse was converted, the other was not. They were of the same mindset when they got married, and now they are not. That's what it was referring to. It saying, "Just because you became a Christian later in life doesn't mean you should leave your non-believing spouse." And then the Bible calls the Christian spouse to be an example of Christ and of love in this life of His spouse, so that they will accept Him, too. 2 Corinthians 6:14: "Do not be unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and lawlessness have in common? What fellowship has light with darkness?" I dated a boy a few years ago who was an Atheist. I admit, I was "missionary dating" - dating with the hopes of 'converting' him. It was wrong. I still love this boy so very much, but I could never be with him. It caused me so much heartache to think that the man I cared so much for wasn't going to heaven. I spent many a night crying to God over him. It wasn't pretty and it wasn't healthy. Christians who actually care about their walk with God could not possibly expect to handle a relationship, let alone marriage, to someone of different beliefs. The Judeo-Christian marriage, the union of man and wife, is not something as simple as "Oh, we're married!" It's the union of two souls, something special and supernatural. They are supposed to built each other up with a mutual love for God and help one another in their spiritual lives. To Christians, marriage is also a reflection of Christ's love towards His people (the church). We are described as His bride, and He the Bridegroom. As a Christian, I know that I need a husband who will walk with me in my spiritual journey, to guide and encoura

Gunnar 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lengai said: " I disagree. When it was saying that it was wrong for a believer to leave a non-believing spouse, this was the time when Christianity first came out. One spouse was converted, the other was not. They were of the same mindset when they got married, and now they are not. That's what it was referring to. It saying, "Just because you became a Christian later in life doesn't mean you should leave your non-believing spouse." And then the Bible calls the Christian spouse to be an example of Christ and of love in this life of His spouse, so that they will accept Him, too. 2 Corinthians 6:14: "Do not be unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and lawlessness have in common? What fellowship has light with darkness?" I dated a boy a few years ago who was an Atheist. I admit, I was "missionary dating" - dating with the hopes of 'converting' him. It was wrong. I still love this boy so very much, but I could never be with him. It caused me so much heartache to think that the man I cared so much for wasn't going to heaven. I spent many a night crying to God over him. It wasn't pretty and it wasn't healthy. Christians who actually care about their walk with God could not possibly expect to handle a relationship, let alone marriage, to someone of different beliefs. The Judeo-Christian marriage, the union of man and wife, is not something as simple as "Oh, we're married!" It's the union of two souls, something special and supernatural. They are supposed to built each other up with a mutual love for God and help one another in their spiritual lives. To Christians, marriage is also a reflection of Christ's love towards His people (the church). We are described as His bride, and He the Bridegroom. As a Christian, I know that I need a husband who will walk with me in my spiritual journey, to guide and encourage me along a godly path. I made sure my boyfriend was a Christian before I went out with him. Can you imagine how alone you would feel when you have this fire, this utter adoration for God, and a desire to share what He'd done in your life, wanting to pray with your spouse and study God's Word with them when they don't give a rip about it? It doesn't work out well when the Christian spouse really practices what they preach. It's just not wise for a Christian man or woman to entangle themselves romantically with non-believers. I know from experience." What if the two boyfreind and girlfreinds wanted to mary? Then they would really be screwed wouldnt they.

Lengai Jul 04 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Gunnar said: " What if the two boyfreind and girlfreinds wanted to mary? Then they would really be screwed wouldnt they." I love how this was just to provoke. It doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. If I'm reading you right, you're talking about homosexual couples. It wouldn't matter, because I don't think that homosexual couples have much care for the Judeo-Christian God. If they claim to be Christians, I would severely question it, seeing as they're pretty much slapping God in the face by how they're living. Like I said, A "Christian" who really only cares about not going to Hell and lives however he wants to after the fact probably wouldn't suffer so much by marrying a non-Christian - because they really only cares about themselves.

imapig 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Thats the problem with Radical Christians nowadays, they're the ones who are going to go to hell in their definitions you're supposed to treat everyone as if they're your brother or sister. I am Agnostic but I'm not athiest, i believe in a divine dieity.

NineCrimes 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

2 Corinithians 6:14 says that you shouldn't be "unequally yoked" with a non-believer. Most people take this to mean that Christians shouldn't be married to non-Christians. On a practical level, it'd be a pain in the ass, especially if the Christian is one who takes their religions seriously.

MonkeyHelper 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Sounds like Secret Life of an American Teenager.

Lengai 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

imapig said: "Thats the problem with Radical Christians nowadays, they're the ones who are going to go to hell in their definitions you're supposed to treat everyone as if they're your brother or sister. I am Agnostic but I'm not athiest, i believe in a divine dieity." Oookay. One, we're talking "brothers and sister IN CHRIST". That just means other believers. I don't know what you mean about "radical Christians", because people seem to think that any Christian who proselytizes is radical, and just because they care about the Bible and people, that they're crazy. I understand if you're talking about Westboro or something, because they're just plain stupid and it's an insult to call them Christians. But just because we follow the Bible doesn't make us radical. o-o Real Christians proselytize because the love others and want them to have the same freedom and salvation that they have. How is that worthy of going to hell?

luzzg 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

My dad is Christian and my mom is Atheist and we never have any problems O_o

Gunnar 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lengai said: " I love how this was just to provoke. It doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. If I'm reading you right, you're talking about homosexual couples. It wouldn't matter, because I don't think that homosexual couples have much care for the Judeo-Christian God. If they claim to be Christians, I would severely question it, seeing as they're pretty much slapping God in the face by how they're living. Like I said, A "Christian" who really only cares about not going to Hell and lives however he wants to after the fact probably wouldn't suffer so much by marrying a non-Christian - because they really only cares about themselves." I lol'ed at my typo and how it caused your post.

Kollle 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lengai said: " I disagree. When it was saying that it was wrong for a believer to leave a non-believing spouse, this was the time when Christianity first came out. One spouse was converted, the other was not. They were of the same mindset when they got married, and now they are not. That's what it was referring to. It saying, "Just because you became a Christian later in life doesn't mean you should leave your non-believing spouse." And then the Bible calls the Christian spouse to be an example of Christ and of love in this life of His spouse, so that they will accept Him, too. 2 Corinthians 6:14: "Do not be unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and lawlessness have in common? What fellowship has light with darkness?"" That makes sense. I admit I am no expert on the bible, but you may well be right. I'll try some research. Lengai said: " I dated a boy a few years ago who was an Atheist. I admit, I was "missionary dating" - dating with the hopes of 'converting' him. It was wrong. I still love this boy so very much, but I could never be with him. It caused me so much heartache to think that the man I cared so much for wasn't going to heaven. I spent many a night crying to God over him. It wasn't pretty and it wasn't healthy. Christians who actually care about their walk with God could not possibly expect to handle a relationship, let alone marriage, to someone of different beliefs. The Judeo-Christian marriage, the union of man and wife, is not something as simple as "Oh, we're married!" It's the union of two souls, something special and supernatural. They are supposed to built each other up with a mutual love for God and help one another in their spiritual lives. To Christians, marriage is also a reflection of Christ's love towards His people (the church). We are described as His bride, and He the Bridegroom. As a Christian, I know that I need a husband who will walk with me in my spiritual journey, to guide and encourage me along a godly path. I made sure my boyfriend was a Christian before I went out with him. Can you imagine how alone you would feel when you have this fire, this utter adoration for God, and a desire to share what He'd done in your life, wanting to pray with your spouse and study God's Word with them when they don't give a rip about it? It doesn't work out well when the Christian spouse really practices what they preach. It's just not wise for a Christian man or woman to entangle themselves romantically with non-believers. I know from experience." I laughed. Really. Perhaps if you hadn't approached the relationship with such an arrogant, holier-than-thou-art attitude, it might have gone better. Basically, you went in with the hopes of trying to change his fundamental beliefs (or lack thereof), and were heartbroken when you failed. But hey. I'm sure your anecdotal evidence is solid proof, right? Nevermind people (several of whom I know) who have actually made it work. I guess it all comes down to this: you ca

Mindstormer Jul 04 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Kollle said: "Oh really. So there are two sets of rules to follow? I would be interested in seeing something to back that up, but in the meantime, read the article carefully. It says that it is not necessarily sinful to marry an unbeliever, and I see no reason to disagree." I think you either misunderstood, or I never clarified sufficiently. I'll try to do that now. In the Bible, there are times where God forbid that His people do things in the first place and/or spoke against participating in them. Yet, due to the hardness of their hearts, mankind still went their own stubborn ways, and because of that, God in His loving mercy still made a way of escape for them. On a far larger scale, this is reflected throughout the entire plan of salvation in a sense. To better illustrate and explain the entire concept of there being "two sets of rules", consider the following: God specifically instructed the Israelites not to intermarry with the neighboring heathen nations, "for they will turn your sons away from following Me, to serve other gods." (Deut. 7:1-4; Joshua 23:11-13) Paul reiterated this principle when he wrote that we are not to be "unequally yoked together with unbelievers," (2 Cor. 6:14-16) and Amos wrote, "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" (Amos 3:3). • This is the first set of rules, simply: Don't marry nonbelievers. Going back to Deut. 7:1-4 and Joshua 23:11-13, Jesus speaks on the issue as well in Matthew 19:3-9. The Pharisees ask Him if it is lawful for a man to divorce his wife. Jesus covers the basics explaining how Marriage is to be between two people whom God joins together and that no man can undo what is done. Then the Pharisees ask why Moses permitted divorce, to which Jesus replies saying that it was because of the hardness of their hearts, even though it was not so in the beginning, it was never God's plan. In fact, read it yourself: 7. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8. He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Spexzz 07/04/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Mindstormer said: " In closing and summary: while marriage with an unbeliever can work out, it is still against God's will for the life of the Christian who takes God and His word the Bible seriously. FAR more often than not however, the compromise is on the part of the Christian and they are the ones whose relationship with God becomes weak and even non-existent. To God, it's about unity in every aspect of two individual's lives, including the spiritual. I don't expect you to understand it completely from your worldview, but that's the best that I can probably explain it from mine. " This = Win + Faith strengthning :P