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Triple Throw

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thread starter NiteTyme Jun 02 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Alright i'm doing some seriously annoying calculations and i need to know whats the damage formula for Triple throw the closest i came was both L7 formula of it and a non L7 formula of it to me that makes no sense but w/e sucked it up and hoping somebody can explain it to me while giving me the 1 calculation

mechadax 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

the damage formula for triple throw depends on att thats all i know

xxbrandon 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

isn't TT damage formula the same as L7 damage formula?

2005master 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The TT formula should be like the L7 Formula....

TaiStabz 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

TT = L7 formula.

qwan456 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It's the same formula. People tend to think that Triple Throw is more base off of W.ATT, because at higher level the LUK:W.ATT ratio is much higher than at lower levels.

20xIVIapIers 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

uhh I think more dex is into the TT formula if I've heard correctly

qwan456 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

20xIVIapIers said: "uhh I think more dex is into the TT formula if I've heard correctly" Every nightlord I met stated that DEX plays no role in the TT formula, so the main issue whether or not it is more W.ATT base. But W.ATT always play a bigger role in the Lucky Seven formula. It just that you don't noticed it as much at lower levels. Anyways, I explain it in more detail here. link

NiteTyme 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

For qwan I followed your link and I got to ask Are you saying L7 is based on luk and WA irrelevant to claw mastery while TT is (and luk and WA?)

ClericX 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

here's a very simple version of what qwan is saying: btw, these numbers are 100% made up on the spot Let's say L7 and TT are both based on luk only At low levels: you have 100 luk and 5WA. At low levels, 1 WA = 3luk, so you would have a total of 115 luk At high levels: you have 100luk and 5WA. At high levels, 1WA = 10luk, so you would have a total of 150 luk. Since WA = more luk in higher levels than in low levels, it plays a bigger role for TT

Chenf983 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ClericX said: "here's a very simple version of what qwan is saying: btw, these numbers are 100% made up on the spot Let's say L7 and TT are both based on luk only At low levels: you have 100 luk and 5WA. At low levels, 1 WA = 3luk, so you would have a total of 115 luk At high levels: you have 100luk and 5WA. At high levels, 1WA = 10luk, so you would have a total of 150 luk. Since WA = more luk in higher levels than in low levels, it plays a bigger role for TT" That's not how it is. It depends from player to player, no matter what level you are. Your total LUK/total W.ATK = your current LUK to W.ATK ratio. It's not a set 1 WA = 3luk for low levels. The reason 1 W.ATK = more LUK for higher levels than lower levels is because when you level you put more LUK making the LUK to W.ATK ratio higher, while not frequently improving the W.ATK when we level up (not getting higher W.ATK gear).

tokyolord 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

TT is the same as L7 if you are a high lvl wep atk is more on your atk range then luck. so thats why low dex pwns dexless

NiteTyme Jun 02 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

tokyolord said: "TT is the same as L7 if you are a high lvl wep atk is more on your atk range then luck. so thats why low dex pwns dexless" Your comment is very grammatically incorrect so I can barely even fill in what you are saying How does being low dex and weapon attack even relate? If you going to say better clawsthen buy a dex sauna robe Zhelm and other dex bonus equips Expensive sure but not impossible and reason to make such a statement with no reason isn't worth noting

qwan456 06/02/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

NiteTyme said: "For qwan I followed your link and I got to ask Are you saying L7 is based on luk and WA irrelevant to claw mastery while TT is (and luk and WA?)" Uhh, I kind of confused on that question. Sorry, but the sentence look kind of messy. I'm saying that both L7 and TT are the same, so they are both LUK and W.ATT base. Claw Mastery doesn't affect those two skills, so it is irrelevant when determining the damage output of the two. In my the link I posted, what I mean was that amount of LUK it takes to equal 1 ATT is much higher at higher level than at lower level, especially for a DEXless, due to their lower ATT claw. To make it easier for you to see, I'm going to do a comparison between level 70 and 120. DEXless: 63 W.ATT, 361 LUK; ~5.7 LUK = 1 ATT RegDEX: 64 W.ATT, 276 LUK; ~4.3 LUK = 1 ATT. Since a DEXless end game claw will most likely be a Skanda, unless somehow manage to get a Night Raven, their total W.ATT won't change much. RegDEX and lowDEX will get 17 more W.ATT from their Sleeve on average. So at level 120, this what I got. DEXless: 63 W.ATT, 611 LUK; ~9.7 LUK = 1 ATT RegDEX: 81 W.ATT, 486 LUK; 6 LUK = 1 ATT. The difference in ratio grew farther apart. If you apply this to the Lucky Seven formula, you will see the same affect between the two. With the stats I provided for the level 120, the regDEX will almost win (if not already) over the DEXless. Of course, this is not including various of factors. Like the ATT of a scrolled claw, an ATT work glove, PAC, ATT pots, funds, etc. If you give both side the same amount of W.ATT, the DEXless will give out the most bang from it. Like if they are using an Onyx Apple. DEXless: 163 W.ATT, 611 LUK; ~3.7 LUK = 1 ATT RegDEX: 181 W.ATT, 486 LUK; ~2.7 LUK = 1 ATT. Yes, W.ATT matters a lot, especially at higher level. The reason behind it isn't because TT is different, but the reason I explained above. I hope you get it now. Seriously, someone needs to make a youtube explanation on this - comparing the damage output of max Lucky Seven and max Triple Throw. I'm getting tired of explaining this. >> NiteTyme said: " Your comment is very grammatically incorrect so I can barely even fill in what you are saying How does being low dex and weapon attack even relate? If you going to say better clawsthen buy a dex sauna robe Zhelm and other dex bonus equips Expensive sure but not impossible and reason to make such a statement with no reason isn't worth noting" A lowDEX advantage is from the W.ATT of their claw. So that's how they are related and why he said lowDEX "pwns". There are other factors why lowDEX can rival a DEXless as well, which I'm not going to get into. But it's mostly because of their higher ATT claw and their base LUK is much higher than a regDEX, thanks to their DEX equips. Also, that "bang" I mentioned early with the apple isn't as far apart like it were with a regDEX, but it is still bigger for the DEXless.

dashx4 Jun 02 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

NiteTyme said: " Your comment is very grammatically incorrect so I can barely even fill in what you are saying How does being low dex and weapon attack even relate? If you going to say better clawsthen buy a dex sauna robe Zhelm and other dex bonus equips Expensive sure but not impossible and reason to make such a statement with no reason isn't worth noting" W.atk will always win over just having high luk. As you get higher and higher, w.atk:luk ratio will get bigger and bigger meaning your gonna need more luk to just equal to 1 w.atk. Also, lowdex build maximizes all dex and luk equips and +all stats equips leaving you with the best customization possible. Unless you can pull off being dexless and equip casters,cravens and those other high level claws or have the godliest skanda, lowdex build will win in the long run over dexless build.