Some rubbish I keep seeing about DrK vs. Hero

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thread starter tsgamer May 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I keep hearing from heroes/DrKs and other jobs how heroes are always coolest and best at everything. A common "fact" is that the DK's 4th job is very boring, no cool flashy new things, with super crazy damage or anything, and that the only good thing about DrKs is berserk, (Mostly heard by heroes, and sometimes DrKs too). Now let's see... We all know heroes, DrKs, and paladins have many shared skills, and they aren't unique or better for only one class, but berserk is equal to brandish or so, in coolness/damage/anything else, and then there's advanced combo that's special for heroes only. Now advanced combo is the supportive skill, a bit like beholder, just that the beholder has both heal and buffs which are pretty helpful, when as the hero only gets enrage once in 6 minutes, and that shield thing which isn't as useful but still somewhat helpful. So in my count, the heroes and DrKs are similiar with their skills and heroes don't really have a better and cooler 4th job. I don't really wanna get into damage right now, but all I can say is that heroes are faster but weaker than DrKs, and you know... DrKs are stronger but slower. So here too it evens out o.o so I really don't get why heroes and DrKs keep saying how much heroes own "us" in 4th job. Even if it was somehow proved that heroes have a slightly higher DPH, it still isn't noticeable. Also, something I have to mention, I saw in another thread a really high dex, probably unfunded said he was hitting 3ks with his fury (Low leveled), and then someone quoted him and said "you can't compare this to a crusader with 5 combo counters and panic". My reply to him/you: You need to get a crusader with the same funds, same level, same stats, and he should be using coma and slash blast, because you just can't spam those shiny super damaging skills! If you do that, I promise you'll have some better results. I apologize, to all the paladins out there, but I just don't know enough about them as they are pretty unique, and not even close to DrKs/heroes.

JaMbaStaR 05/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Heroes > DrK in DPM. DrK Has Hb. Fun is for you to decide.

DefaultHero May 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

when heros get there base skills maxed "brandish+ac" they can pretty much show up to any dk o__o.

zgtaf 05/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Why is everything people blurt out nowadays something along the lines: I OWN J00 IN DPM BUT U HAS LIEK KEWL SKILL? DPM, DPS, etc. are solely numbers, but as any other number it's the actual GAMEPLAY that counts. Doesn't matter if any class is better than another or not, why even compare them in the first place, what's the point? I can't believe some people are actually so sad that they need to know they're better than other people to feel satisfied xD

Chosen May 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

JaMbaStaR said: " Heroes > DrK in DPM. DrK Has Hb. Fun is for you to decide." What? Let me dig up some stickies for you. And ztgaf is totally right, if the hero cannot control his character better than the DrK, the DrK will win out in DPM. That is something that you cannot put into numbers.

JaMbaStaR May 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Chosen said: " What? Let me dig up some stickies for you." Yes, Please do. I would like to see you prove me right. And DrK only come close to Hero DPM in Zerk. W/o Zerk, Hero beat out DrKs DPM by at least double.

tsgamer 05/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

JaMbaStaR said: "Heroes > DrK in DPM. DrK Has Hb. Fun is for you to decide." Ha, you can't just throw things like that in the air. At training, it is most likely the DrK will have a higher DPM if he can kill in less hits, because zerked crusher is stronger. I really can't tell about bossing though, because DrKs are strong and slow, and brandish is weak but fast.

zgtaf 05/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Prove you wrong*

DefaultHero 05/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

tsgamer said: " Ha, you can't just throw things like that in the air. At training, it is most likely the DrK will have a higher DPM if he can kill in less hits, because zerked crusher is stronger. I really can't tell about bossing though, because DrKs are strong and slow, and brandish is weak but fast." u act like Drks out damage heroes by like 60k dmg o_O

tsgamer May 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DefaultHero said: " u act like Drks out damage heroes by like 60k dmg o_O" You clearly didn't read what I wrote. But actually, DrKs do outdamage heroes, both in each crusher stab and there's also the third stab.

zgtaf 05/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DefaultHero said: " u act like Drks out damage heroes by like 60k dmg o_O" Again: Whether they outdmg heros by 234086234589672345k or they don't outdamage at all - it doesn't matter in the end. We play this game - hopefully - to have fun.

JaMbaStaR May 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

tsgamer said: " Ha, you can't just throw things like that in the air. At training, it is most likely the DrK will have a higher DPM if he can kill in less hits, because zerked crusher is stronger. I really can't tell about bossing though, because DrKs are strong and slow, and brandish is weak but fast." Brandish =/= Weak. And DrK do not have higher DPM during training. Brandish beats it due to speed. And i never said Hero was better nor funner. I said they have a better DPM.

Mageklan 05/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

tsgamer May 12 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

JaMbaStaR said: " Brandish =/= Weak. And DrK do not have higher DPM during training. Brandish beats it due to speed." You don't get it. Brandish is "not as strong" as crusher, but it's faster. At training, if a DrK can kill in 1 hit and the hero kills in 2, or if the DrK kills in 2 hits and the hero needs 4, of course the DrK has the upper hand. DefaultHero, Of course the hero will outdamage the DrK at lower levels, when the DrK still can't control the character or doesn't enough in berserk to actually kill.

JaMbaStaR 05/12/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

tsgamer said: " You don't get it. Brandish is "not as strong" as crusher, but it's faster. At training, if a DrK can kill in 1 hit and the hero kills in 2, or if the DrK kills in 2 hits and the hero needs 4, of course the DrK has the upper hand." I do get it. It's just the way you are saying it is completely wrong. Crusher out damages Hero with ZERK ON only. And it out damages in single hits, but because crusher is so dam slow, Brandish hits higher DPM. And Crusher is no way near 2x as strong as Brandish. Let's say a Brandish hits 40k. The crusher would hit about 45k with Zerk on. Learn your facts.