NL versus Shadower: the ultimate revelation

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thread starter Mejust Apr 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

First off, let me just say to you that this is as unbiased as it gets. Both classes boil down to pretty much the following: Night Lords are for bossing. Shadowers are for training. Bossing and training are equal in importance. Therefore, Shadowers and Night Lords are equal. They're just better at different things.

Mejust 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

clericcom said: "Absolutely not. It all comes down to funding. And don't give me any bs with "but this one is better than that one with equal funding" because do we all really have equal funding?" To point it out to you, AP builds matter less to your training speed than your skill build and skill at playing.

clericcom 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Mejust said: " To point it out to you, AP builds matter less to your training speed than your skill build and skill at playing." I dont see what this has to do with my comment. I didn't say anything about AP or SP or skill. I'm talking about your equips.

Csenger 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You just proved that they are not equal. You can't compare such different things.

Mejust 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

clericcom said: " I dont see what this has to do with my comment. I didn't say anything about AP or SP or skill. I'm talking about your equips." Aya, equips should not be where your focus is, in the first place

clericcom 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Mejust said: " Aya, equips should not be where your focus is, in the first place " So when comparing two characters damage, you don't count their equips? Therefore, dits are better because: If the dit has a 21atk bwg and a 20 atk shield and a godly dagger then he would do more dmg than a sin with just a garnier. Equips do matter.

sineater31 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Mejust said: " Aya, equips should not be where your focus is, in the first place " A level 50 mage could out-damage level 120 arch mage if the level 50 mage had AMAZING funding. Who bosses best? Whoever has most funding. Who trains best? Whoever has most funding.

valint9 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

sineater31 said: " A level 50 mage could out-damage level 120 arch mage if the level 50 mage had AMAZING funding. Who bosses best? Whoever has most funding. Who trains best? Whoever has most funding." Actually no and some classes are NATURALLY better at a certain thing.

Mejust 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

clericcom said: " So when comparing two characters damage, you don't count their equips? Therefore, dits are better because: If the dit has a 21atk bwg and a 20 atk shield and a godly dagger then he would do more dmg than a sin with just a garnier. Equips do matter." When you compare two theoretical characters, make sure their funding is equal. Giving the bandit an estimate of 3 billion mesos in funding over the assassin isn't something which I would call fair. And most people just like to compare classes through only their skills and relative DPM's, cause it's probably the most comparative and fair way to go about it.

clericcom 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

valint9 said: " Actually no and some classes are NATURALLY better at a certain thing." Actually yes. Even if you're naturally better, if I have godly equips to do 10x your damage.. you get the point.

Mejust Apr 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

clericcom said: " Actually yes. Even if you're naturally better, if I have godly equips to do 10x your damage.. you get the point." Which is why you only compare equally funded characters.

valint9 Apr 15 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

clericcom said: " Actually yes. Even if you're naturally better, if I have godly equips to do 10x your damage.. you get the point." A Nightlord will never beat a hero on mobs of 3s.

clericcom 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

valint9 said: " A Nightlord will never beat a Shadower on mobs of 3s." Watch me do magic. With proper funding, say the nl can do 50k dmg per star. The shadower can do 100 dmg x 3. Who wins? Obviously the sin because he has more funding. It all comes down to funding. It doesn't matter that one is better with equal funding because DO YOU HAVE THE SAME FUNDING AS ME? No.

valint9 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

clericcom said: " Watch me do magic. With proper funding, say the nl can do 50k dmg per star. The shadower can do 100 dmg x 3. Who wins? Obviously the sin because he has more funding. It all comes down to funding. It doesn't matter that one is better with equal funding because DO YOU HAVE THE SAME FUNDING AS ME? No." sorry I meant hero they confuse me. Besides LoopEdd who can do 50k per star?

sineater31 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

valint9 said: " sorry I meant hero they confuse me. Besides LoopEdd who can do 50k per star?" It's all hypothetical, but the point is, it is possible to have a strong shadower, and a weak NL, and the shadower will do better in bossing, and vice-versa.

clericcom 04/15/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

valint9 said: " sorry I meant hero they confuse me. Besides LoopEdd who can do 50k per star?" The guy with 20b worth of funding.