which equips are most important

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thread starter ElfenLied Apr 14 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Im about to get 50 mil and i want to now what should i get? i dont have wg or a zhelm. i have a lion's fang 78 weap atk,and should i get a pac for dex or atk (base dex 55)

Shox101 Apr 14 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

(all this is IMO) get a japanese map ~80att (i think around 10m, not too sure) then get some 7-8 att wgs (15m for 7 att, 22m for 8att) then get an icarus cape 2 and scroll it for str (the speed on the cape will greatly increase your traning speed, also i dont kno how muchitl cost u) then save up again untill u have enough for a zhelm The prices are for khaini

blastem Apr 14 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

getting the zhelm and an att wg seems more beneficial(donno how to spell it, looks funny to me :3) to me. the zhelm 25/35mil depends on reg/vip att wg 7/8 is 13/22mil EDIT: forgot about speeds importance to warriors... getting even a clean IC2 should help

ramencity Apr 14 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Dont get a cape or an overall yet, those are a bit too pricy for your funds. Grab a jap map around 80 att: around 5m Zhelm is a must: 30m Get a 7 att wg, the extra 7-10m isnt worth it for only 1 att: 13m use the last 2m for pots. EDIT: oh, and blastem made a good point. get an IC2 for speed (cleannn) Also try 100%ing some whitebottoms with speed (only like 500k and 8 speed)

Metathenes 04/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Agreed with Shox, he's got it down. Only reason to get a zhelm before other things would be if you aren't hitting anything, aka way too low acc. Otherwise, get a jap map, att work gloves, and an IC2 str cape.

Senyain 04/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Are you guys nuts? No attack glove and you're even considering ZHelms? Get an 8-10 attack glove and save the rest. Or use some of it to buy a weapon whose speed doesn't suck... maybe a Tiger's Fang, Jeweled Katar, or optimally a Japanese Map (try for 80+ attack if you want to be UBER). Don't even give PACs a look unless you're either looking after you've got a 13+ attack glove or looking to get almost no attack for your money. And as blastem said, movement speed always helps, especially from levels 50 through 120 (unless when LMPQing where you should have Haste from a Bandit or maybe Assassin). Go Ic(2) for the cape, try for decent STR without going too expensive. And self-scroll some speed shoes, unless you need accuracy in which case you can self-scroll acc shoes. In any event you really shouldn't need a Zhelm at 55 base dex.

ramencity Apr 14 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Senyain said: "Are you guys nuts? No attack glove and you're even considering ZHelms? Get an 8-10 attack glove and save the rest. Or use some of it to buy a weapon whose speed doesn't suck... maybe a Tiger's Fang, Jeweled Katar, or optimally a Japanese Map (try for 80+ attack if you want to be UBER). Don't even give PACs a look unless you're either looking after you've got a 13+ attack glove or looking to get almost no attack for your money. And as blastem said, movement speed always helps, especially from levels 50 through 120 (unless when LMPQing where you should have Haste from a Bandit or maybe Assassin). Go Ic(2) for the cape, try for decent STR without going too expensive. And self-scroll some speed shoes, unless you need accuracy in which case you can self-scroll acc shoes. In any event you really shouldn't need a Zhelm at 55 base dex." Wth? you're saying he should sacrifice the zhelm for 2-3 extra att on his wg? And why are you even considering a tigers fang considering how rare and pricy they are and he only has 50m. Are YOU nuts? Who the hell wont need a zhelm at 55 base dex.

timmykev 04/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I for one wouldn't reccomend getting a zhelm unless you desperately need the acc due to your limited amount of funding. Do what the other people told you to do, get a okay scrolled jap map, a Str scrolled IC2 or clean, some pair of speed shoes, and a 7-8att wg. After that you should have roughly around 30m or so. If you really need the zhelm go for it, but seeing as how you only have around 30m or so left, and that won't really be enough to get VIP, i would say no due to the possibilty of you either d/cing during the run or something that prevents you from getting the helm. If you don't plan on getting the zhelm, just save up money to upgrade better equips and then get your zhelm sometime later on when you have more mesos to spare.

Metathenes 04/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ramencity said: " what? you're saying he should sacrifice the zhelm for 2-3 extra att on his wg? And why are you even considering a tigers fang considering how rare and pricy there are and he only has 50m. Are YOU on nuts? Who the hell wont need a zhelm at 55 base dex." If he doesn't need acc, what does a zhelm give him? Some wdef, and 15 str. Aka around what, like 3 watk? Compared to a faster weapon for much better damage, or a weapon glove for MUCH better damage. Or an IC2 for faster speed for faster training for faster leveling etc. Tiger's fang, probably not; japanese map, most certainly.

ramencity 04/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Metathenes said: " If he doesn't need acc, what does a zhelm give him? Some wdef, and 15 str. Aka around what, like 3 watk? Compared to a faster weapon for much better damage, or a weapon glove for MUCH better damage. Or an IC2 for faster speed for faster training for faster leveling etc. Tiger's fang, probably not; japanese map, most certainly." I never said he shouldn't get a japanese map or IC2(check my first post). So you're saying 3 att is BETTER than a zhelm? Yeah, the 15 str may equal the 3 att, but you might as well get the zhelm considering the accuracy and the avoid on it

Senyain 04/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ramencity said: "what? you're saying he should sacrifice the zhelm for 2-3 extra att on his wg? And why are you even considering a tigers fang considering how rare and pricy there are and he only has 50m. Are YOU on nuts? Who the hell wont need a zhelm at 55 base dex." Well a TF or a Map would be a 10%-20% increase in kill rate. Meanwhile 15 STR for the cost of a ZHelm is frankly pitiful at that level. The only other major benefit would be the accuracy boost. And I don't know what you're smoking that makes you think a 55 base dex warrior actually needs that much accuracy on a helm, but it's pretty much the ultimate noobishness if one does. If he for some reason wanted to have enough accuracy to train at, say, zombies or jr. yetis he could make it up with much cheaper equips... say, acc shoes and a 100%ed overall. There are all sorts of other problems too. Like the fact that "buying" Zhelms is IMO flat-out cheating. And that he can easily earn his own helm when he reaches any level at which he can just fight Zakum and earn it the way it was designed to be gotten. And that as pointed out above, he just plain doesn't even sort of need it.

Metathenes 04/14/09 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

ramencity said: " I never said he shouldn't get a japanese map or IC2(check my first post). So you're saying 3 att is BETTER than a zhelm? Yeah, the 15 str may equal the 3 att, but you might as well get the zhelm considering the accuracy and the avoid on it" No, I'm saying 3 atk is what a zhelm gives. And for 30m, you can get 3 atk much more cheaply elsewhere. A 85+ map depending on the market can be had for much less than 30, which isn't even including your initial 5m cost. Not to mention you'd have to revise your plan since you didn't include the cost of an IC2 in your initial assessment.

blastem Apr 14 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Senyain said: "Are you guys nuts? No attack glove and you're even considering ZHelms? Get an 8-10 attack glove and save the rest. Or use some of it to buy a weapon whose speed doesn't suck... maybe a Tiger's Fang, Jeweled Katar, or optimally a Japanese Map (try for 80+ attack if you want to be UBER). Don't even give PACs a look unless you're either looking after you've got a 13+ attack glove or looking to get almost no attack for your money. And as blastem said, movement speed always helps, especially from levels 50 through 120 (unless when LMPQing where you should have Haste from a Bandit or maybe Assassin). Go Ic(2) for the cape, try for decent STR without going too expensive. And self-scroll some speed shoes, unless you need accuracy in which case you can self-scroll acc shoes. In any event you really shouldn't need a Zhelm at 55 base dex." instead of paying 5x mil for a 10 att wg, wouldnt the 15str compensate for the 3/2 att difference of a zehlm and a 7/8att wg? not to mention the def can save in pots and he will not really need to get dex/acc equips if needed to w/o the helm. And Senyain, i must agree with you on the weapons better capability of killing more but i didnt exclude him obtaining a Map, even at map with the same att should be worth while seeing as the percentage increase of killing you stated is higher then i thought :3.

Senyain Apr 14 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

blastem said: "instead of paying 5x mil for a 10 att wg, wouldnt the 15str compensate for the 3/2 att difference of a zehlm and a 7/8att wg? not to mention the def can save in pots and he will not really need to get dex/acc equips if needed to w/o the helm." Is that what 10 attack gloves are up to now? When I quit they were 20m. Oh well, if that's the case then I'd say buy an 8 attack glove instead of 10, but don't use the rest on a zhelm. Use the rest on a decently fast weapon instead. Something like an 80 attack Japanese Map. That thing's kill rate would rival like 92 attack on a Lion's Fang at minimum. Defense is not worth the price of the helm - not to mention that as I said I consider helm "buying" to be cheating. Also, it's not only cheating at getting the helm - it's also cheating one's self out of what can otherwise become one of the game's major goals - defeating Zakum yourself and earning your own helm the way it was meant to be. Accuracy, as I mentioned before, is not needed. He's 55 base dex and level 5x for god's sake. The most accuracy he could even possibly need is 82, and that's for jr. yetis or zombies. In late 5x to early 6x FoG only takes 64 acc plus a Sniper Pill and LMPQ doesn't really care about your accuracy. As for the later levels, if dexless warriors can get equips good enough to train then doing so as a level 80-120 warrior with 55 base dex without a zhelm should frankly be easy.

blastem Apr 14 2009 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Senyain said: " Is that what 10 attack gloves are up to now? When I quit they were 20m. Oh well, if that's the case then I'd say buy an 8 attack glove instead of 10, but don't use the rest on a zhelm. Use the rest on a decently fast weapon instead. Something like an 80 attack Japanese Map. That thing's kill rate would rival like 92 attack on a Lion's Fang at minimum." well this is bera's 10att wg cost, unsure if he is in a different world right now but shouldnt be much different. wouldnt the zhelm be more worth while then a weapon that may last him 10-14 levels? and if the prices of the swords were shift not in his favor, thats money hes lossing. not saying this is going to happen, but anything is possible :3 not to mention hes 55dex and obviously unfunded, so he might not be able to hit monsters he has to fight soon to come in later levels. not sure on how he is doing right now, so depends on if hes missing much or not to get the better w/g or zhelm.