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thread starter DeathByNL Nov 10 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Okay, I've been rush leveling as much as possible so I haven't taken the time to sit down and look it up a bit. I'm currently level 89...Again, and I hope that doesn't go BACK to 86...Again. I maxed Crusher, now I'm maxing Fury. For maximum training speed what should my skill build be? Is Dragon Blood really needed right away if I use Warrior Elixers while training or does it stack? Also, I'm planning on training at himes to 120 because Gallos are horrible exp, and I just realized that the other day. What level should I switch from Himes to something else, like Newties or skele (do people still train at newties?). I want to get level 135ish as soon as possible for BF leeching. ~Information that May be helpful with advice.~ I have 202 accuracy clean (if I remember correctly) 111 att U/h Maple Soul Spear 14 att Work Glove 10 str 15 dex Battle Road 4 Zombie Rings Level 7 BoF My Damage range is 11xx~37xx, I hit a max of 6500x3 with crusher. I have 9900 hp, 2400 mp. Edit 1: New Damage range 12xx~39xx. I hit a max of 7100x3 with crusher I have 10100 hp and 2500 mp (I think, I honestly think I lost MP as I leveled some how...Stupid Rollback)

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2HandedYo 11/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

fury should've been maxed first before crusher.. I honestly did not max fury because it can easily be replaced with warrior elixirs.. but if ur a low budget money guy, then max it.. But if u dont' max it, put the SP into something else. And no it does not stack. Gallos isn't horrible exp with fury if u train it the right way .. Max fury at gallos > max crusher at himes by MILES. and.. level 135 BF leeching.. just sucks lmao.. at that level its like 60mil exp for level up.. *cough* u do the calculation of how much % it gives u. you have a LOT of accuracy O_O. fury----gallos to like 110 then go skele if ur equips are pro enough. if not gallos till 120

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DeathByNL + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] 2HandedYo : fury should've been maxed first before crusher.. I honestly did not max fury because it can easily be replaced with warrior elixirs.. but if ur a low budget money guy, then max it.. But if u dont' max it, put the SP into something else. And no it does not stack. Gallos isn't horrible exp with fury if u train it the right way .. Max fury at gallos > max crusher at himes by MILES. and.. level 135 BF leeching.. just sucks lmao.. at that level its like 60mil exp for level up.. *cough* u do the calculation of how much % it gives u. you have a LOT of accuracy O_O. fury----gallos to like 110 then go skele if ur equips are pro enough. if not gallos till 120 [/quote] I have a 4 dex base, the accuracy is all in equips. LOL. And I think you got skills mixed up, can you please reread your post and edit that. It's confusing. And Selling BF leech, not receiving. You seem to have misunderstood my statement.

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Iamshorttt 11/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] DeathByNL : I have a 4 dex base, the accuracy is all in equips. LOL. And I think you got skills mixed up, can you please reread your post and edit that. It's confusing. And Selling BF leech, not receiving. You seem to have misunderstood my statement. [/quote] he means that he went pure spear and look at him now cant even tell the difference between useless skills with useful ones. u should max both fury and crusher... then u slashblast ur way to 110... then ur crusher becomes... USEFUL!

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dragonzrk 11/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

crusher needed first . then fury get to 12plus atk you should look at ur stats once in a while. when u power up strong as you can be is good. you gonna hime hope u dont meet up with crow to much. go to sigapore and kill barrellion and ratcolla . wolf spiders if ur real good. and jesters. but himes you need mage to heal u.

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Iamshorttt 11/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] dragonzrk : crusher needed first . then fury get to 12plus atk you should look at ur stats once in a while. when u power up strong as you can be is good. you gonna hime hope u dont meet up with crow to much. go to sigapore and kill barrellion and ratcolla . wolf spiders if ur real good. and jesters. but himes you need mage to heal u. [/quote] This.

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darkspawn980 11/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

the hell is this stuff? i'll be honest with you, fist thing i maxed was fury, and this was before the potential items, grabbed a karstan with 90 attack, and at level 85-90 was slashing at Hime's, all your other skills are completely unnecesary, except spear crusher if you plan to switch to skele's before 4th job (like at level 108-115) blood is completely replaceable by the pots, so there is no need to get it. only things you really need from 4th job are: Spear Crusher Polearm Fury Elemental resistance then you can: get roar for bragging rights, it's awesome, and helps you get in zerk range faster instead of going to hug all the monsters. get power crash to stop the buffs in certain monsters (helps against certain bosses, but still, horrible skill) get D.Blood to save money... i don't recommend it, but then again, i can pay for the pots, but still, i won't deny it can be useful get sacrifice. hahahahahaha wait, you serious? i am a 136 - 1 DK, my skills are: Max spear crusher 25 spear fury max polearm fury 3 sacrifice 30 dragon roar 3 D.Blood i think 10 or so on power crash. i would rather have maxed spear fury for quick finishers at oblivion

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chickenpoodl + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] darkspawn980 : the hell is this stuff? i'll be honest with you, fist thing i maxed was fury, and this was before the potential items, grabbed a karstan with 90 attack, and at level 85-90 was slashing at Hime's, all your other skills are completely unnecesary, except spear crusher if you plan to switch to skele's before 4th job (like at level 108-115) blood is completely replaceable by the pots, so there is no need to get it. only things you really need from 4th job are: Spear Crusher Polearm Fury Elemental resistance then you can: get roar for bragging rights, it's awesome, and helps you get in zerk range faster instead of going to hug all the monsters. get power crash to stop the buffs in certain monsters (helps against certain bosses, but still, horrible skill) get D.Blood to save money... i don't recommend it, but then again, i can pay for the pots, but still, i won't deny it can be useful get sacrifice. hahahahahaha wait, you serious? i am a 136 - 1 DK, my skills are: Max spear crusher 25 spear fury max polearm fury 3 sacrifice 30 dragon roar 3 D.Blood i think 10 or so on power crash. i would rather have maxed spear fury for quick finishers at oblivion [/quote] it just totally depends lol. i got 1 ER and i thought it was totally useless. with maxed achilles, and over 1000w.def/m.def, i'm taking maybe 3k-ish dmg from horntail's magic elemental attacks. with ER maybe 2.5k? i dunno it makes very little diff in the long term. tahts only really one example of how things can vary. the only important skills is spear crusher, spear fury, polearm fury, dragon roar. the rest is replacable or substituted by other things. so really its up to the individual and their own purposes and intents. and sacrifice is a really importnat skill later for berserk management. with maxed sacrifice, your survival after a cast of sacrifice can be guarenteed. i got 3 sacrifice. if i "stab" a monster while fully buffed, my hp drops to almost 1 lol. thats almost not acceptable for common use anymore at bosses to lower my hp.

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darkspawn980 11/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

chickenpoodl : well, i agree with that, however, it still reduces damage, so i consider it useful. but what is your tree? just wondering, and about that, mind helping me with 4th job? hahaha.

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chickenpoodl 11/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

my skill tree is really mangled to be honest. people think chickenpoodl is this perfect example of a dk, it isn't LOL. i used a lot of 3rd job SP to do or finish polearm mastery and boosters. reason is because i was a late convert from pure spear to hybrid. that was one of the reasons i chose to skip ER. i knew i was going to eventually max achilles aand such anyhow. i think my ER is at 12 or 13 now, and i really never noticed a diff between when it used to be 1 and now. anyway, heres what i did lol... 3rd job spear fury 1 spear crusher 30 [max] elemental resistence 1 sacrifice 3 (to unlock roar) dragon roar 30 [max] dragon blood 20 [max] polearm fury 30 [max] spear fury 30 [max] i used a number of points for polearm boosters. (later on with the adventurer event, free SP resets, i removed my excess SP from iron wall and put them back into ER) 4th job rush 1 beholder 10 [max] berserk 30 [max] stance 10 (stuck for a while cuz stance 20 was near impossible to get and costed like 250m -_-) maple warrior 9 heal 9? (started heal, got it to 7 or 8 or 9, forgot.) heros will 1 [max] (kinda temporary max lol, it was capped) maplewarrior 19 [max] got lucky, was given MW20 at horntail runs, and so i got MW to 19. stance 30 (during this time i got my stance 20 book from pap solos, so i got the chance to now max it.) heal 20 rush 30 [max] (realized now i was getting strong enough to start considering rush + 1hko with crusher, so i started to work on rush) achilles 30 [max] (my hp was getting to max too, so i was able to start considering to tank horntail's tail with max hp + achilles, so i worked on that) heal 25 [max] heros will 5 [max] hex 20 [self-capped] (to prevent cancelling apples) after this that was it, everything was done. i saved a crapload of SP. mw 30 [max] omg yes! thanks to friends who gave me a chance at using a mw30 book from their gach box, it passed, first shot lol hex 25 [max] looooooong time later, hex was smartened up not to eat apples. so we got a chance to max taht. i know thats sa lot of junk to read and a lot o fppl dont' really care for it. but i felt i had the time to list why i did things to give ppl ane xample of how different everyoens 4th job buidls can be. its all dependent on personal situations and circumstances, and a lot of diff factors. availability is the biggest thing too (it wa sa huge issue before), maybe not so much today but you still get the point.

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darkspawn980 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] chickenpoodl : my skill tree is really mangled to be honest. people think chickenpoodl is this perfect example of a dk, it isn't LOL. i used a lot of 3rd job SP to do or finish polearm mastery and boosters. reason is because i was a late convert from pure spear to hybrid. that was one of the reasons i chose to skip ER. i knew i was going to eventually max achilles aand such anyhow. i think my ER is at 12 or 13 now, and i really never noticed a diff between when it used to be 1 and now. anyway, heres what i did lol... 3rd job spear fury 1 spear crusher 30 [max] elemental resistence 1 sacrifice 3 (to unlock roar) dragon roar 30 [max] dragon blood 20 [max] polearm fury 30 [max] spear fury 30 [max] i used a number of points for polearm boosters. (later on with the adventurer event, free SP resets, i removed my excess SP from iron wall and put them back into ER) 4th job rush 1 beholder 10 [max] berserk 30 [max] stance 10 (stuck for a while cuz stance 20 was near impossible to get and costed like 250m -_-) maple warrior 9 heal 9? (started heal, got it to 7 or 8 or 9, forgot.) heros will 1 [max] (kinda temporary max lol, it was capped) maplewarrior 19 [max] got lucky, was given MW20 at horntail runs, and so i got MW to 19. stance 30 (during this time i got my stance 20 book from pap solos, so i got the chance to now max it.) heal 20 rush 30 [max] (realized now i was getting strong enough to start considering rush + 1hko with crusher, so i started to work on rush) achilles 30 [max] (my hp was getting to max too, so i was able to start considering to tank horntail's tail with max hp + achilles, so i worked on that) heal 25 [max] heros will 5 [max] hex 20 [self-capped] (to prevent cancelling apples) after this that was it, everything was done. i saved a crapload of SP. mw 30 [max] omg yes! thanks to friends who gave me a chance at using a mw30 book from their gach box, it passed, first shot lol hex 25 [max] looooooong time later, hex was smartened up not to eat apples. so we got a chance to max taht. i know thats sa lot of junk to read and a lot o fppl dont' really care for it. but i felt i had the time to list why i did things to give ppl ane xample of how different everyoens 4th job buidls can be. its all dependent on personal situations and circumstances, and a lot of diff factors. availability is the biggest thing too (it wa sa huge issue before), maybe not so much today but you still get the point. [/quote] hahaha, i agree, in my case, i got Zerk and beholder maxed already (got lucky with zerk, passed on the first try, thank god) currently maxing stance (level 10, got rollbacked to 7, now maybe even more) however, i am sort of in a crossroads, i am training in oblivion 4, i 2hko them, which makes using rush a potburn, but also increases training speed a lot, since i can always re-rush and move farther, so after i get stance to 20, i was considering getting either rush, to increase distance, or hex, to save from buying warrior elixirs. i think

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chickenpoodl 11/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] darkspawn980 : hahaha, i agree, in my case, i got Zerk and beholder.... -snip- [/quote] well, i was in a large line up of 15 dk's waiting for beerserk30 and i got tired of waiting so i bought one from a diff ht group. at the time it was hard to get so i was lucky to pass it early. this was only months after HT was out lol ya rush is definitely a movement skill, only occsaionally as a finisher. MW is big. it plays off your %'s too. your % gear is more effective after MW anyway. so its important to do when you get hte chance to. don't pass up on it. ER is mostly for bossing. very little help in training. i did heal primairly because i was spending a lot of time at bigfoot. and heal works very well there. our berserk triggers were alot lower before. before berserk 10 and 15 was unusable. even berserk 20 was hard. berserk 30 was 40% hp, 20 was 30% hp, and 10 was 20% hp. so going berserk early wasn't helpful. our dmg was low since we had lesser gear choices. atk sources were scarce. no % gear. no rings, no belts, no medals, no narcains, etc. no hammers, nothing. so berserk 10 or 20 was pointless regardless. hp washing was a new thing too that a lot of ppl weren't into yet. so most ppl didnt' even have the hp to handle that early on. your method is fine ya, but what if a bishop accidnetally heals you over? or what if you're at a boss who does huge hiits like horntail and you gota temporariliy pot up with a power elixer for emergency, or for party management or something. or you gota dive into chaos zak's body to avoid pot lock? i hate using roar more than once during bossing because for me, bossing (solo atleast), now is alla bout achieving as fast a time as possible i rather roar once then take dmg down to 50% or less, or sacrifice with a full hp bar and see hwo far it brings me down. the 2-second stun on roar is too much for me if you gotta do it a number of times in one run. and what if you cast roar and suddenly your party gets dispelled a tthe same time? you're stunned for 2 seconds. 2 seconds where eveyrones dying while waiting fo ryou to re-cast hb.

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darkspawn980 11/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] chickenpoodl : well, i was in a large line up of 15 dk's waiting for beerserk30 and i got tired of waiting so i bought one from a diff ht group. at the time it was hard to get so i was lucky to pass it early. this was only months after HT was out lol ya rush is definitely a movement skill, only occsaionally as a finisher. MW is big. it plays off your %'s too. your % gear is more effective after MW anyway. so its important to do when you get hte chance to. don't pass up on it. ER is mostly for bossing. very little help in training. i did heal primairly because i was spending a lot of time at bigfoot. and heal works very well there. our berserk triggers were alot lower before. before berserk 10 and 15 was unusable. even berserk 20 was hard. berserk 30 was 40% hp, 20 was 30% hp, and 10 was 20% hp. so going berserk early wasn't helpful. our dmg was low since we had lesser gear choices. atk sources were scarce. no % gear. no rings, no belts, no medals, no narcains, etc. no hammers, nothing. so berserk 10 or 20 was pointless regardless. hp washing was a new thing too that a lot of ppl weren't into yet. so most ppl didnt' even have the hp to handle that early on. your method is fine ya, but what if a bishop accidnetally heals you over? or what if you're at a boss who does huge hiits like horntail and you gota temporariliy pot up with a power elixer for emergency, or for party management or something. or you gota dive into chaos zak's body to avoid pot lock? i hate using roar more than once during bossing because for me, bossing (solo atleast), now is alla bout achieving as fast a time as possible i rather roar once then take dmg down to 50% or less, or sacrifice with a full hp bar and see hwo far it brings me down. the 2-second stun on roar is too much for me if you gotta do it a number of times in one run. and what if you cast roar and suddenly your party gets dispelled a tthe same time? you're stunned for 2 seconds. 2 seconds where eveyrones dying while waiting fo ryou to re-cast hb. [/quote] well said, however, i don't boss, so most of that doesn't really hit me, but i guess when i find the time i will put some points into sacrifice. but i'll go in order: true about zerk, i managed to get it off cheap due to the HT hackers putting so many on the market. i use rush mostly as a movement/dodge skill, since it lacks the strength to become a finisher (however, using it and going straight through an enemy as that 1% chance of OHKO from your critical ring activates, is awesome) MW is heckuva expensive, that is my limiting factor too, and since i have trained under MW 30, and it doesn't let me OHKO at oblivion, i am thinking of skipping it for now agreed on ER i see what you mean with bigfoot, but still, i think i would rather increase my firepower than my healing power you know i had forgotten about Zerk limits back then, yeah, that was some serious stuff back then, i see now why the beholder first build, but the guide needs an update, since IMO, wi

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chickenpoodl 11/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

currently i use a lot of various pots too. power elixers - emergencies (30k hp buys me alot of time to reset parties, sort res, give instructions, etc) ginseng roots - for 1/1 or when monters deal over 10k hp (or for over potting purposes when i can predict it, like at toad/frog boss) milks - standard potting satays - topping up MW i agree for you at your present moment is something you can consider skipping. for your personal use MW isn't a huge benefit, being 12x, or 13x, your base str isnt' large enough to really benefit from it. but if you DO get the chance, get it asap, and don't skip on it. you'll regret it down the road xD get your guidl to go bossing. the more experience they get the more fun you'll all have. besides, its just soemthing else to do. adn playing the game is all just that, finding soemthing to do right now id on't even find the strongest ppl i can to go horntail or chaos-zak. i routinely am known to find 2-3 others who are high leveled/strong (to carry the run mainly). and i'd fill the rest of the slots with inexperienced friends hoping for them to learn soemthing from each run so they'll be better at it all eventually.

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darkspawn980 11/11/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well, apparently, i am now level 134 (was 136) so that's more training time lost, and that is a lot of potions you hold i say xD i know MW is useful, however, atm i have rounding up to 700 STR base, so not really as helpful, don't worry, it's higher on my list than say, beholder heal or aquiles, but that's why i said i would level it to 5, in case i come around a cheap book, i can use it inmediately. my guild does bosses... and gets killed by them, it's usually something made on the spot, so we never are "ready" you know, we killed zakum arms and had to leave due to small amount of peope (everyone DC'd) targa/scar is tough since they had no rusher for a while, etc etc etc. for now, normal training is helping me level very fast, found a very nice paladin that 2x's me for 4 hours, and also HS, so training is good for now, will worry about bossing later. it was nice discussing all this, thanks for your time poodl, really, i think i will get some sleeping now, it's almost 6 over here, and insomnia can only keep me awake that much today hahaha. but again, thanks very much

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