Hybrid Or Pure Spearman

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thread starter Blazer447 Oct 16 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So i'm making a DK But I don't know what build i should do >:O HYBRID or PURE SPEAR MY Future Lies On Your Hands

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aloley 10/18/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Celyfaye : I'm not trying to mislead the TS... I've stated that hybrids level faster and have higher damage, I'm just stating what I feel is the best experience for me, I never went out and said that he should definitely go pure spear, I'm stating what I've done, and why I've done it. Where is it stated that I said that pure spears level faster?

My Characters: BlueTaffi - 77 Bera Outlaw

ispearrr + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Pure is fun, if you like to level slow.

My Characters: iSpearYa - 135 Khaini Dark Knight

Celyfaye + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

aloley : hybrids don't have higher damage, first of all. And it's seeing all these ignorant points that have been brought up by you that irks me. You say you've had a better experience playing a pure than a hybrid, but I bet you haven't even touched a hybrid dk before.

My Characters: MaylinBlade - 100 Bera Blade Lord

noobaran 10/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Celyfaye : noobaran : apparently, your basil ID is extremely fitting. The entire purpose of going hybrid is to level faster, so being hybrid at a lower level is the opposite of pointless. And why in the world would you reset skills after bb if we already involuntarily become hybrid then? Going hybrid NOW makes all the difference. [/quote] I also have a 150drk, so keep your inexperienced comments to yourself. Hes a low level bandit, which means it is unlikely he will reach a high enough level 80-90 on a dk, where going hybrid would be worth it before the BB arrives. There is no point going hybrid, if he cant even utilize the skills or max them out before BB. You seem to fit the first part of my basil id more, do you want it?

My Characters: CrimsonPa - 167 Scania Aran in Hope

Celyfaye + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] noobaran : I also have a 150drk, so keep your inexperienced comments to yourself. Hes a low level bandit, which means it is unlikely he will reach a high enough level 80-90 on a dk, where going hybrid would be worth it before the BB arrives. There is no point going hybrid, if he cant even utilize the skills or max them out before BB. You seem to fit the first part of my basil id more, do you want it? [/quote] Funny stuff. You're the one who's inexperienced. Don't judge me just because I'm 13x. Going hybrid benefits as soon as you turn 30. Slash:stab ratio is 3:2, meaning that you'll be slashing more than you stab, so slash blasting on mobs while swinging will deal more damage, especially if it's happening more often than stabbing. Final attack KILLS mob damage. When it activates on mobs, one-digit numbers will often appear. Don't go thinking you're so smart because you're 150. Level doesn't necessarily = playing experience.

My Characters: MaylinBlade - 100 Bera Blade Lord

noobaran 10/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Celyfaye : Funny stuff. You're the one who's inexperienced. Don't judge me just because I'm 13x. Going hybrid benefits as soon as you turn 30. Slash:stab ratio is 3:2, meaning that you'll be slashing more than you stab, so slash blasting on mobs while swinging will deal more damage, especially if it's happening more often than stabbing. Final attack KILLS mob damage. When it activates on mobs, one-digit numbers will often appear. Don't go thinking you're so smart because you're 150. Level doesn't necessarily = playing experience. [/quote] Yer,,,thats why he shouldnt bother even going spear, he should go polearm. When he reaches 70 go to gallos with a priest or himes which is much faster leveling, provided he can get there before BB which I doubt he could. And after BB, his points will be reset regardless.

My Characters: CrimsonPa - 167 Scania Aran in Hope

Celyfaye + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] noobaran : Yer,,,thats why he shouldnt bother even going spear, he should go polearm. When he reaches 70 go to gallos with a priest or himes which is much faster leveling, provided he can get there before BB which I doubt he could. And after BB, his points will be reset regardless. [/quote] I mentoined that final attack kills mob damage, didn't I? Is it honestly that hard to press a few buttons to make yourself hybrid? You aren't missing out on anything with that build, might as well add points into spear mastery and booster >.> And bringing up the levels of 80-90 as the levels that matter going hybrid is completely wrong in supporting your arguement if you're saying that the ts should go pure pa, because you're still using a pa at that level either way, not a spear.

My Characters: MaylinBlade - 100 Bera Blade Lord

noobaran + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lol ive been playing this game since beta, not saying your not as experienced but really there isnt any point in going hybrid. Maybe he wants FA to work on bosses, aka dojo? meh lol doubt he will even get to level 50 anyway.Btw if BB wasnt just around the corner i'd agree with you on going hyrbrid. Um your missing my whole point here, which is TIME. He doesnt look like the type of person based on his basil id, I could be wrong, that is a fast leveler. If he could hit 130 before BB then by all means go hybrid, so he can get the benifits of using a spear. But thats highly unlikely.

My Characters: CrimsonPa - 167 Scania Aran in Hope

KhainiWest 10/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] noobaran : lol ive been playing this game since beta, not saying your not as experienced but really there isnt any point in going hybrid. Maybe he wants FA to work on bosses, aka dojo? meh lol doubt he will even get to level 50 anyway.Btw if BB wasnt just around the corner i'd agree with you on going hyrbrid. Um your missing my whole point here, which is TIME. He doesnt look like the type of person based on his basil id, I could be wrong, that is a fast leveler. If he could hit 130 before BB then by all means go hybrid, so he can get the benifits of using a spear. But thats highly unlikely. [/quote] Yeah let's go pure spear through third job and make his training suck into december. Hybrid doesn't just enhance 3rd job training. Level 167 trumps 150 hehehehehe.

My Characters: Geminidawn - 165 Khaini Dark Knight

Celyfaye + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] noobaran : lol ive been playing this game since beta, [/quote] So have I. [quote] noobaran : not saying your not as experienced but really there isnt any point in going hybrid. [/quote] You said I should keep my inexperienced points to myself, and that I was more fitting of your id. [quote] noobaran : Maybe he wants FA to work on bosses, aka dojo? [/quote] I didn't know people trained/ spent most of their time in dojo. [quote] noobaran : meh lol doubt he will even get to level 50 anyway. [/quote] And how would you know that for sure? [quote] noobaran : Btw if BB wasnt just around the corner i'd agree with you on going hyrbrid. [/quote] Either way, he should go hybrid, BB or not. And really? Who goes to gallos/ himes at 70? @ edit : omg...I just said...final attack, which you get as a pure, is horrid for mob damage. >.> and you're going back on yourself...you just said that hybrid matters from 80-90, now you say it's 130+?

My Characters: MaylinBlade - 100 Bera Blade Lord

noobaran 10/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Um ever heard of doing dojo,,,for fun? Ever been on ch 1 in scania for example its always packed with low level players, because thats where they can go to face bosses and have fun. Um with all the acc equips going gallos at around 70s isnt hard, especially with a priest. lol for Mr.167, if he can get to lvl 7x before bb I'll eat my words.

My Characters: CrimsonPa - 167 Scania Aran in Hope

Celyfaye + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So...you're saying that he should kill his mob damage every single time he trains cuz dojoing is fun. That doesn't make sense, since youre using power strike which deals more damage than fa, unless you're talking about saving a tiny bit of mp. And at lvl 70 it doesn't matter if he can hit gallos/ himes or not- damage reduction + the time it takes to kill will make it highly inefficient to train there. I honestly don't want to argue anymore. You don't know what you're talking about- it's like talking to that bLY dude all over again.

My Characters: MaylinBlade - 100 Bera Blade Lord

KhainiWest 10/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] noobaran : Um ever heard of doing dojo,,,for fun? Ever been on ch 1 in scania for example its always packed with low level players, because thats where they can go to face bosses and have fun. Um with all the acc equips going gallos at around 70s isnt hard, especially with a priest. lol for Mr.167, if he can get to lvl 7x before bb I'll eat my words. [/quote] So your entire argument to back up your statement is "WELL HE LEVELS SLOW". Okay. Let's just disregard by going pure spear throughout second job his mob damage will suck .

My Characters: Geminidawn - 165 Khaini Dark Knight

djp2313 10/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I just don't see how "he won't make it 3rd job by BB" is a viable argument for going pure. He very well may not make it to 3rd job but that doesn't mean other people reading are not reading this thread and looking to apply the questions asked to their own situations. While it is nice to try to tailor advice specifically to the TS you can't ignore the fact that sometimes that advice is taken on by other people. The difference between hybrid and pure for the TS most likely comes down to FA. FA is a terrible skill, it should be dumped even in pure builds, so now that you have leftover points you put those into the other mastery/booster -- thus hybrid. It does not matter whether or not you touch a spear (or PA) the option exists in case you ever do want to switch. Just because you have the option does not mean you need to utilize it. I mean you're arguing he most likely won't make it to a point where he will utilize the benefits of being hybrid, but as long as a chance remains steering him down a path that limits his options because of an update that is coming "sometime this winter" that according to the devs doesn't even have a firm release date within the company even is just short-sighted. The difference between going pure and going hybrid but using one weapon are practically non-existant when you consider how detrmental FA is and how it shouldn't be in any build. Going hybrid sets you up to make a change if you need to whereas going pure limits you. Having options is a good thing. I can see your point of view crimsonpa, it's not a horrible idea. The probelm is it may backfire. When you have an option available that won't backfire and provides the same benefits it is just clearly the better option.

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aloley + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Celyfaye : Hybrids don't have a higher damage, but they have a higher damage over time. My point is, that I believe that I would have a better time playing a pure spear. What is with all you hybrids and hating pure spears? You need to take into account what the THREAD STARTER wants, not just what you think is best. Personally, I like to think AHEAD, especially when I know that I won't get too far past level 70 by the time Big Bang comes around. It's also the TS' decision, what he wants to pick. We all base our decisions on our preferences and what we want to do. [quote] Celyfaye : don't you dare mislead the ts into thinking he should go pure spear. [/quote] Again, it's HIS decision. It depends on HIS preferences. You can't just come in here and outright tell him he should go hybrid. If I made the same thread, do you have the right to tell whoever that's arguing that I should go pure spear to leave and NOT try to give advice, and convince me to go pure spear? If it was like that, there wouldn't be types of Spearmen like Pure-spear and Pure-PA. You're saying, that if I'm trying to convince the TS to go pure spear (Which I actually am not entirely doing), I'm misleading him? There are plenty of people telling him to go hybrid. So, he himself can weigh the choices. YOU don't have the right to tell me leave and discontinue this argument.

My Characters: BlueTaffi - 77 Bera Outlaw