NL vs Dual Blades

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thread starter Best Oct 10 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Which is has higher DPM? Are DBs wanted in party boss runs as much as NLs? Edit: aslo which is stronger after BB.

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x3Ren 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Satoshi1234 : NLs have better 1v1, but DBs have better mobbing and offensive support. In raw 1v1 damage, NLs > DBs, but DBs will be more wanted because of Thorns and Flash Bang. EDIT: below Only if the boss can Seduce and we get too close to it and it wasn't Flash Bang'd. XD [/quote] Have you ever seen a NL do 199ks on one star? DBs can do that with CoH and you're saying they do better 1vs1?

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Satoshi1234 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] x3Ren : Have you ever seen a NL do 199ks on one star? DBs can do that with CoH and you're saying they do better 1vs1? [/quote] Well... uh... yeah. You see, Triple Throw is much stronger than before after Big Bang, and is already fast, while CoH is neither. o.o" EDIT: I forgot, TT is spammable too, while CoH seems to always need a Fatal Blow in between (probably 2 Upper Stabs instead after BB, because Fatal Blow becomes useless) and also requires a rebuff. EDIT2: And i heard that the max damage got massively increased, which further proves my point... kinda. XD

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CowSockie 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Honestly, it depends on how you build the character equip/stat wise. A DB could be stronger then a NL and vise versa. You should be choosing a class you enjoy playing. Every class can be better then the other, even if one is higher on the DPM charts.

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x3Ren 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Satoshi1234 : Well... uh... yeah. You see, Triple Throw is much stronger than before after Big Bang, and is already fast, while CoH is neither. o.o" EDIT: I forgot, TT is spammable too, while CoH seems to always need a Fatal Blow in between (probably 2 Upper Stabs instead after BB, because Fatal Blow becomes useless) and also requires a rebuff. EDIT2: And i heard that the max damage got massively increased, which further proves my point... kinda. XD [/quote] But we already hit 199k now.. while NLs still haven't.. which means our COH can hit even more after Big Bang, since of the damage is not at 199k anymore. We also have more of a chance to do crits and we hit 15 times plus a quick 8 more hits for FB, we keep repeating that with thorns and final cut. Our attack range is pretty high even with weak equips. Add that with apples. We're doing better than NLs at 1vs1.

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jhkplaya808 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

pre bb NL post bb DB

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uzumachi92 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] CowSockie : Honestly, it depends on how you build the character equip/stat wise. A DB could be stronger then a NL and vise versa. You should be choosing a class you enjoy playing. Every class can be better then the other, even if one is higher on the DPM charts. [/quote] she speeks the truth...i love my NL and for me DB sucks (my poit of vew)...probably for a DB, NL sucks too...it's pretty much how much you like your character.. this NL is my MAIN character and i've been playing with it for years.. and i still love it and he will be forever in the 1st position..2th is hero (i'd like have one)..3th is bowmaster (i love SE)...for me these 3 are the better job ever!

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Satoshi1234 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] x3Ren : But we already hit 199k now.. while NLs still haven't.. which means our COH can hit even more after Big Bang, since of the damage is not at 199k anymore. We also have more of a chance to do crits and we hit 15 times plus a quick 8 more hits for FB, we keep repeating that with thorns and final cut. Our attack range is pretty high even with weak equips. Add that with apples. We're doing better than NLs at 1vs1. [/quote] -You said yourself that lots of NLs can hit max damage per star... which is true, assuming that they have SE. (They suck now, but in bossing situations, they're no.4 on the DPM list at the moment, right behind Corsairs, Arans and DBs.) -Yes, CoH can hit even more after the Big Bang. But you're forgetting, so can Triple Throw. -...No you don't. Nightlords are the crit masters of the entire game. Toss some SE at them and it'll look like they're on roids. Also, 15% of the enemy's defense is ignored. XD -It doesn't matter if you hit 15 times per attack. Savage Blow hits 12 times with shadow partner, but that doesn't mean that Snipe (1 hit) doesn't easily outdamage it... Also, Triple Throw is actually 100% affected by Shadow Partner, whereas Mirror Image misses out an extra 9 hits when you do CoH. -Who cares about FB? It does a total of 440% damage (assuming blade + dagger = 1, as shown on the damage range), and Triple Throw does a much higher percent times a much higher number of attacks per minute. (And yes, i know that claw ranges won't be as high as dagger + blade ranges, but still, it's over twice as fast and about twice as strong, so... yeah. Also, Upper Stab outdamages Fatal Blow even without the 70% boost per second strike.) To put it bluntly, FB is useless except as a showoff skill... and you don't need showoff skills once you have Monster Bomb, Sudden Raid and CoH. XD -NLs can use apples too, and more efficiently as well. Again, you're challenging the masters here. XD So... yeah. DBs aren't far behind NLs, but still... they're behind. XD

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fairytail 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

dpm dont come from class they come from equips and all STOP COMPARING CLASS ITS ALWAYS THE PERSON WHO FUND IT MADE THE DPM

x3Ren 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Rofl.. Sure, you are a "master" *sarcasm*

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Best 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So who won LOL?

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orangeking11 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Best : So who won LOL? [/quote] Whoever has better funds and connections. xD I'd personally say DBs have better output on equal grounds, because if NLs outdid DBs, DBs wouldn't have much else going for 'em. xD

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TsShadow 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

LOL he had no comeback and i agree with him NL's are all that and more and plus dbs get a little buff after bb nut not compared to NL also dbs get nerfed and plus i dont really see a comparision between SP plus Triple throw

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Satoshi1234 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] x3Ren : Rofl.. Sure, you are a "master" *sarcasm* [/quote] You said that DBs had better damage, and I gently put it to you that you are just barely incorrect. There's really no reason to be that rude. [quote] TsShadow : LOL he had no comeback and i agree with him NL's are all that and more and plus dbs get a little buff after bb nut not compared to NL also dbs get nerfed and plus i dont really see a comparision between SP plus Triple throw [/quote] Eh, NLs aren't really "all that and more" after the BB. They kinda become one of the mediocre classes, and same with DBs (1v1-wise at least). Kinda like a punishment for KSing everyone ever since the thief branch came out LOL

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therebegold 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

how about rather than therotically compare which is better why dont we get some charts and back it up. I mean we could argue forever , DBS have Final cut +COH = godly damage, NLS with SE are god etc... Enough therotically, its faking pointless we might as well argue is BLUE BETTER THAN RED OR IS RED BETTER THAN BLUE?

kitbon 10/10/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

idc which one you pick, just as long as there isn't a large raise of shads after bb just because we got fj+sp. I don't want to see a huge shad band wagon.

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