A Simple Thought for Christians & Related Religions

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thread starter NapalmDe4th Sep 25 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Assume: 1. God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and benevolent 2. God gave us free will Result: 1. God knows how everyone will act 2. God knows which ones will be saved and which ones wont --> Assume Those who wont be saved are lost cases that under no circumstances would be saved. As dubious as this claim is, let's grant it to the Theists and say that God would not let someone willing to be saved go astray, or else salvation would be as much based on the person as the circumstances of their lives 3. The removal of people who wont be saved wont interfere in any way with the free will or salvation of those who will, or vice-versa 4. God could have created a world without people who wont be saved Optional Steps 5. God, knowing the result of Earth's test, could have avoided creating this world and put everyone in Heaven 6. This world is unnecessary, redundant, and, given how many people wont be saved, perplexing with the proposition of an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent and benevolent God.

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Heatless 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

A simple thought that has been stretched and repeated over and over again to make variations of it. Evolution is a powerful thing.

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sumaznboy2k 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Maybe God is a teacher at an elementary, and we are one of his student's "project". Depending on the outcome, the student might get a good grade. :D

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BluffinMuffin + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

In my opinion, religion is dumb. And any conversations in this forum about it are dumb as well. They all end up the same.

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Underfree 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Distorting Calvinism is fun!

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sumaznboy2k 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] BluffinMuffin : In my opinion, religion is dumb. [/quote] Religion DOES help the world in some ways. Such as motivation and discipline. For instance, people are afraid to go to "Hell", so they try their best not to commit any thing "bad", such as murder or stealing. :P Personally, I'm an atheist. I AM against religion to a certain point, only because of the wars and discrimination it creates.

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BluffinMuffin 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] sumaznboy2k : Religion DOES help the world in some ways. Such as motivation and discipline. For instance, people are afraid to go to "Hell", so they try their best not to commit any thing "bad", such as murder or stealing. :P Personally, I'm an atheist. I AM against religion to a certain point, only because of the wars and discrimination it creates . [/quote] Took the words out of my mouth. I'm not an atheist because I do believe there is SOMETHING there, but I'm not going to change my life and abide to some conformist rules. I live my life the way I want to, and that "being" should know that and be OK with it.

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[quote] BluffinMuffin : In my opinion, religion is dumb. And any conversations in this forum about it are dumb as well. They all end up the same. [/quote] You mean with people posting completely irrelevant things like you just did? Why yes, but that's not my thread's fault, but rather, the participant's decision to complain and bump a thread they supposedly don't feel like contributing to.

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aznpudding03 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm a Christian, but I believe that my religion, and any religion, is good for the morals it inspires. And that's all, the rest is just superfluous.

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Lasorbeams 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Most religions have the same idea Leave it at that

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BluffinMuffin 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] NapalmDe4th : You mean with people posting completely irrelevant things like you just did? Why yes, but that's not my thread's fault, but rather, the participant's decision to complain and bump a thread they supposedly don't feel like contributing to. [/quote] No with the constant fighting. Why does it matter what you believe in? Why are people so adamant on trying to get others to prove others right/wrong? Just let it all go and do your believing.

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Cyrus0 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] aznpudding03 : I'm a Christian, but I believe that my religion, and any religion, is good for the morals it inspires. And that's all, the rest is just superfluous. [/quote] Yep, since God set out the Bible as a general guideline to follow, leaving you to pick and choose what rules and ideologies you want to follow. Since that's how it works.

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Ninjenk 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Dont bash the Bible, it allows me to hate gays, and have incest.

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NapalmDe4th 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] BluffinMuffin : No with the constant fighting. Why does it matter what you believe in? Why are people so adamant on trying to get others to prove others right/wrong? Just let it all go and do your believing. [/quote] Oh no! People are sharing ideas, discussing the merit of their thoughts and get people to question their beliefs for the better? My God, this is terrible! Why, scientific research also shouldn't be peer reviewed and political criticisms should be burned.

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BluffinMuffin 09/25/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] NapalmDe4th : Oh no! People are sharing ideas, discussing the merit of their thoughts and get people to question their beliefs for the better? My God, this is terrible! Why, scientific research also shouldn't be peer reviewed and political criticisms should be burned. [/quote] Discussion is different from arguing, which is what these types of threads turn into.

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