I really dont understand merchers

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thread starter ilikemapleing Sep 24 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yesterday, I was selling my 83 attack craven in the FM and i got a trade from a mercher and he said "I will buy it for 130Mil" I then replied by saying "I've gotten many price checks and people say it is worth 600-700mil plus and I was offered mw30 for it" he then tried to make up lies about how its less then 130mil and that he was giving me a good price. after arguing he buddied me and said "Don't ever sell stuff to merchants like me because they will rip you off so bad" and also said "You claw is worth 700Mil+" so today a Mercher added me and offered 160mil and I said that it is worth more then 700+ and that the A/W is 750mil he also then made up lies about how my claw is terrible and that its worth 160mil I added him to a chat and my friend that tried ripping me off my claw the day before and they were speaking a different language after i asked my mercher friend how much my claw is worth and I assumed that the guy was saying don't tell him the actuall price and I also assumed that they were friends so after speaking their language my friend said "idk sorry" when he clearly told me that it was 700mil+ the other day. so 3 minutes after the trade the guy traded me again and offered a 10dex black snow shoe I declined his offer and THEN he starts making up lies about how my claw is bad and its not worth then 300mil and his shoes are worth 250-300mil. so honestly, why do they have to try they're hardest to try ripping people off when they know that they aren't going to get the deal they want? EDIT: lvl66warrior your stupid, im not hating on merchers i clearly said "so honestly, why do they have to try they're hardest to try ripping people off when they know that they aren't going to get the deal they want?" read you ret@rd

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AdroxNight + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] lvl66warrior : you are right. ALL merchants are jerks. They should all be banned, so everyone will pay the exact price it is worth. It is not your fault you sell items too low. The person buying it should pay 30% more because he should not make a profit. The only way to make money then is buying NX and that is the best way. /sarcasm You basilers with your merchant hate.... If you would have the skills to make 100's of mills a day (which is not that hard) you wouldn't be whining like a little whiny boy. Stop making these stupid threads. [/quote] Well, maybe if that merchant didnt try scamming him, then he probably wouldnt be here complaining. Also, the problem wasnt the low offer, the problem was the lies and attepts to coerce him to lower the price I remember a time I tried to sell my shinobi bracer on basil. A few merchants tried contacting me in game and offered lower prices for it. When I told them "no thanks, either pay my price or I have an Assassin that would appreciate using it" they all got pretty pissed off at me. They even degraded themselves and decided to think of every insult they could. Oh well, their loss.

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AdroxNight + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] UstinX : I would like to see how the FM will function without them. it just won't survive/ [/quote] Why does the FM need merchants? The FM doesnt actually need them. If merchants didnt exist, then the FM spots would just be filled with other maplers.

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UstinX 09/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] AdroxNight : Why does the FM need merchants? [/quote] To keep a stable economy. Let's say you're buying groceries from a merchant every day, then, every merchant/shop owner dies and there are none. what will you do?

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AdroxNight 09/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] UstinX : To keep a stable economy. Let's say you're buying groceries from a merchant every day, then, every merchant/shop owner dies and there are none. what will you do? [/quote] Buy from someone else? Thats how the free market works. If someone falls or vanishes, then someone else will take their place. And I dont see how stability is needed. I much rather prefer the barter system.

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UstinX 09/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] AdroxNight : Buy from someone else? Thats how the free market works. If someone falls or vanishes, then someone else will take their place. And I dont see how stability is needed. I much rather prefer the barter system. [/quote] Also, wihtout merchants there would be less mesos in the server. Everyone would just buy everything in the exact price and no one will make mesos.

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smeat 09/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i think of merchants similar to used car salesmen IRL or pawn shop owners. they do their research, they know what stuff is worth, they buy stuff from people wanting to liquidate their assets without the hassle of putting up with the "tire kickers" & selling it themselves. it's a shame that most are not upfront and honest, but neither are all used car salesmen or pawn shop owners. if you ever watched the show pawn stars, if they get something rare and worth a lot come on their desk, they get a 3rd party to do an assesment of true value, but they never pay the seller the real value, but a fair price, as they need to make something to make it worth their while (like if 10% overall luk is going for 10m in the FM, don't expect to get 10m from a scroll merchant, expect 7-8m for it, also this is an example i don't even know if 10% overall luk even exists, because i don't merch, and i have no characters needing LUK)

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AdroxNight 09/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] UstinX : Also, wihtout merchants there would be less mesos in the server. Everyone would just buy everything in the exact price and no one will make mesos. [/quote] ...Thats complete BS. Mesos dont magically come from merchants. They come from players playing the game (and occationally meso sacks). Also, there would be slightly more mesos in the market, because less taxed meso transactions would be occuring. Normally the process is Producer sells to merchant, and the merchant sells to the Consumer. Without merchants, you cut out the middle man, the extra cost from the merchant's greed, and less mesos are soaked up in to the taxes.

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UstinX 09/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

AdroxNight Okay dude, let's ban all the merchants and see what will happen. kay men?

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Glowy 09/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I dislike merchants like that with a passion. Although, whenever I go to sell something I know how much it's worth and if I get a junky offer I just cancel trade right away and don't care and they leave me alone unless they really want it, they eventually decide to pay full price. Or, my other option which I usually go for if the item is MTSable is my option more than anything, since you don't have to deal with low people like that. Also, there will always be mesos in the game in the FM. Where do they come from to begin with..? People training and NPCing items, or also from time to time Meso Bags in the Cash Shop, merchants in the FM don't magically make mesos appear in their inventory, unless they use hacks of course. Meh, just like a particualar thread like a couple days ago, except the person was one of the merchants. Oh well, merchants have their choice in making money, but after they become rich in the game their not someone I'd look up to, I could careless how rich they are cause I'm always going to look down on them for their ways they make their money.

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[quote] lvl66warrior : you are right. ALL merchants are jerks. They should all be banned, so everyone will pay the exact price it is worth. It is not your fault you sell items too low. The person buying it should pay 30% more because he should not make a profit. The only way to make money then is buying NX and that is the best way. /sarcasm You basilers with your merchant hate.... If you would have the skills to make 100's of mills a day (which is not that hard) you wouldn't be whining like a little whiny boy. Stop making these stupid threads. [/quote] Sometimes people want to sell to people who are actually out to buy a Craven to USE..not to resell higher. Your sarcasm doesn't really work, seeing as he never expected more than it's worth, and he points out that the merchants he has encountered will say one thing one day, and another the next. None of them can be trusted, because they all want to make not just 30% profit, but 90%. You merchants with your people realizing that you're ripping them off hate. If you really do have the skills to make 100's of millions of mesos a day by scamming people who don't know the real price of things, why do you have to complain about the small minority of people who DO know? Stop making these stupid posts, and find someone else to scam UstinX He never said that they needed to be banned, he said they aren't needed for a stable and productive economy, and if anything they hinder it, and reduce the mesos in the server. He proved that last fact to you and you just ignore the fact that you were wrong?

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larryd23 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

For the most part, I don't care much for the merchants who hang out in FM looking for a deal or steal. Having said that, I also don't care for sellers who don't assign a price to their merchandise. If you want to sell something, do your research, figure out how much you want for it, and then advertise the price in FM. S> 83 ATK Craven... 0 slots... 700 mil firm... If you're not willing to do that, then you should expect to get ridiculous offers. And if you have no clue what it's worth, auction it on Basil.

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ilikemapleing 09/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] UstinX : Also, wihtout merchants there would be less mesos in the server. Everyone would just buy everything in the exact price and no one will make mesos. [/quote] how the heck will there be less mesos in the server without merchants? thats just plain stupidity if you think that. and as a matter a fact it should be the opposite considering merchants are fairly rich and the tax will eat up all the mesos. for example if they sell something for 1bil the tax in trade will eat up 60mil and in shop 30mil.

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