DPS of a Corsair - BasilMarket Forum

thread starter SerenadeBass Sep 12 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I take it that most of a Corsairs DPM occurs when they're on the boat, but how can they use it efficiently at bosses when some like Zakum are attacking every half a second?

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xIntegrity are you joking or just trolling lol? yes u need equal funding if you're going to compare 2 classes. you cant say give the NL 10b funding so it can deal 100k stars then expect to compare it to 5b funding on a sair so it can deal 150k cannons. If you're going to make EQUAL comparisons then everything needs to be EQUAL which includes funding and lvls. No sairs are not garbage without SI or SE but nl's ARE without SE (and SI + Thorns doesn't do anything for them anyways) so that argument is completely invalid. SI only further buffs sairs than they already are, SE is a necessity for NLs and just more NL friendly because of base crit. yes 25% is a LOT. that means 1/4th of the time you won't be hitting crits. this means on avg out of every two times you TT, three of the stars will be crap dmg, not to mention that you're arguing on the basis that ALL 6 of your stars hit 168k dmg which is "l0l". Lastly how is the only "trait" sairs have is consistency? i think you're mistaken, one of the traits a NL lacks IS consistency, not the other way around. How can you even continue to argue that a NL has higher DPM than a sair when NL's don't really have anything to show for it and its already been proven that sairs out-dpm NLs whether you like it or not? Yes it is agreeable that NL's were previously DPM beasts but nowadays they get out-dpm'd by 3 classes currently which makes them what? Don't get me wrong though, NLs are awesome bossers, but your arguments towards DPM is just really redundant and just opinionated with no backings lol. also, if you're going to make comments about post-BB updates at least get your info straight, note that sairs only hit 5x, not 6, and that EVERY class gets base crit, including sairs... but thats only because crit rates get nerfed and all that crit dmg that NLs have been relying on is now gone. If you're going to continue arguing about how NLs out-dpm Sairs, show the proof or just quit making a fool out of yourself. If you want, i can show YOU proof that sairs out-dpm NLs and not just rely on useless opinions based off of favoritism due to your main rofl...

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TLNinjah 09/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] NoHomo : xIntegrity are you joking or just trolling lol? yes u need equal funding if you're going to compare 2 classes. you cant say give the NL 10b funding so it can deal 100k stars then expect to compare it to 5b funding on a sair so it can deal 150k cannons. If you're going to make EQUAL comparisons then everything needs to be EQUAL which includes funding and lvls. No sairs are not garbage without SI or SE but nl's ARE without SE (and SI + Thorns doesn't do anything for them anyways) so that argument is completely invalid. SI only further buffs sairs than they already are, SE is a necessity for NLs and just more NL friendly because of base crit. yes 25% is a LOT. that means 1/4th of the time you won't be hitting crits. this means on avg out of every two times you TT, three of the stars will be crap dmg, not to mention that you're arguing on the basis that ALL 6 of your stars hit 168k dmg which is "l0l". Lastly how is the only "trait" sairs have is consistency? i think you're mistaken, one of the traits a NL lacks IS consistency, not the other way around. How can you even continue to argue that a NL has higher DPM than a sair when NL's don't really have anything to show for it and its already been proven that sairs out-dpm NLs whether you like it or not? Yes it is agreeable that NL's were previously DPM beasts but nowadays they get out-dpm'd by 3 classes currently which makes them what? Don't get me wrong though, NLs are awesome bossers, but your arguments towards DPM is just really redundant and just opinionated with no backings lol. also, if you're going to make comments about post-BB updates at least get your info straight, note that sairs only hit 5x, not 6, and that EVERY class gets base crit, including sairs... but thats only because crit rates get nerfed and all that crit dmg that NLs have been relying on is now gone. If you're going to continue arguing about how NLs out-dpm Sairs, show the proof or just quit making a fool out of yourself. If you want, i can show YOU proof that sairs out-dpm NLs and not just rely on useless opinions based off of favoritism due to your main rofl... [/quote] QFT. I love you.

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I believe in concentrating on the Battleship Cannon (to be referred to as BSC for the remainder of this comment) until it's maxed out, but if you depend 100% on it (or even 90%) you're short-changing yourself as a Corsair. Pirates were designed to be quick and highly mobile. While the damage output of BSC is irrefutable, inevitably you *should* be out of your battleship about 30-40% of your combat time. This counts for quick in and outs to sustain it's durability as well as sacrificing maximum damage for improved mobility. I plan on pumping more points into Rapid Fire (RF, currently at lvl 5) after I've maxed out Battleship Torpedo. I can already solo Manon in the dojo using primarily Rapid Fire. "Dude, RF's weak compared to BSC." Well, duh. However, Manon's primary magic attacks are easily dodge by simply hitting your recoil shot at any time during a sustained RF barrage. However, if I'm with a party and catch Manon with his back turned to me I'll open up the BSC until he considers me the biggest threat. I haven't started Zaking with my guild yet, but I imagine that the integrity of my Battleship won't be such a big issue as I intend to have a substantial level of Rapid Fire to fall back on by that time. While I've certainly deviated from what most people consider the "correct" build for a Corsair, my diversity has already allowed me to do more than other Corsairs my level that I've spoken with. To sum it up: don't count on the battleship to always be there for you. Sometimes it's just not the best answer and invariably you're going to have to get out sometimes or you'll simply get unceremoniously blasted out of it. Peronally, I intend to just let Zak destroy the Battleship and just RF until it's repaired. Advanced Homing Beacon + Rapid Fire + 90 seconds = Substantial Contribution

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[quote] NoHomo : xIntegrity are you joking or just trolling lol? yes u need equal funding if you're going to compare 2 classes. you cant say give the NL 10b funding so it can deal 100k stars then expect to compare it to 5b funding on a sair so it can deal 150k cannons. If you're going to make EQUAL comparisons then everything needs to be EQUAL which includes funding and lvls. No sairs are not garbage without SI or SE but nl's ARE without SE (and SI + Thorns doesn't do anything for them anyways) so that argument is completely invalid. SI only further buffs sairs than they already are, SE is a necessity for NLs and just more NL friendly because of base crit. yes 25% is a LOT. that means 1/4th of the time you won't be hitting crits. this means on avg out of every two times you TT, three of the stars will be crap dmg, not to mention that you're arguing on the basis that ALL 6 of your stars hit 168k dmg which is "l0l". Lastly how is the only "trait" sairs have is consistency? i think you're mistaken, one of the traits a NL lacks IS consistency, not the other way around. How can you even continue to argue that a NL has higher DPM than a sair when NL's don't really have anything to show for it and its already been proven that sairs out-dpm NLs whether you like it or not? Yes it is agreeable that NL's were previously DPM beasts but nowadays they get out-dpm'd by 3 classes currently which makes them what? Don't get me wrong though, NLs are awesome bossers, but your arguments towards DPM is just really redundant and just opinionated with no backings lol. also, if you're going to make comments about post-BB updates at least get your info straight, note that sairs only hit 5x, not 6, and that EVERY class gets base crit, including sairs... but thats only because crit rates get nerfed and all that crit dmg that NLs have been relying on is now gone. If you're going to continue arguing about how NLs out-dpm Sairs, show the proof or just quit making a fool out of yourself. If you want, i can show YOU proof that sairs out-dpm NLs and not just rely on useless opinions based off of favoritism due to your main rofl... [/quote] you fail 2 math or something? l said /4.5 not /6../4.5 = max per non SP hits. example: (100k + 100k + 100k) < SP + (200k + 200k + 200k) < TT = 900k right? 900k / 4.5 = 200k, where does that give you 200k 6 times bra? lololol you can't even do that simple math, who knows how reliable your opinion is when you're comparing NLs and sairs based on a chart you probably don't even understand yourself LMFAO. You probably just looked at the chart and saw that sairs were on top and NLs were down there so you're immediately like "LOLOLOL I WIN YOU LOSE JAJAJAJA" Favoritism? You're a sair, l can say you're doing the same thing ^__^. And it's not even that, l KNOW DBs and bms that can hit cap or near cap dominate NLs but l still think the corsair being omg lyk3 0h so pr0 la is a little off. Oh and the trolling thing, it's a little of both. l'm really bored

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[quote] xIntegrity : you fail 2 math or something? l said /4.5 not /6../4.5 = max per non SP hits. example: (100k + 100k + 100k) < SP + (200k + 200k + 200k) < TT = 900k right? 900k / 4.5 = 200k, where does that give you 200k 6 times bra? lololol you can't even do that simple math, who knows how reliable your opinion is when you're comparing NLs and sairs based on a chart you probably don't even understand yourself LMFAO. You probably just looked at the chart and saw that sairs were on top and NLs were down there so you're immediately like "LOLOLOL I WIN YOU LOSE JAJAJAJA" Favoritism? You're a sair, l can say you're doing the same thing ^__^. And it's not even that, l KNOW DBs and bms that can hit cap or near cap dominate NLs but l still think the corsair being omg lyk3 0h so pr0 la is a little off. Oh and the trolling thing, it's a little of both. l'm really bored atm. On a side note, look, it's cap :D > http://i51.tinypic.com/2w2ftdf.jpg < lt appears NLs also have the advantage of a damage multiplier breaking the SP formula making it not match up with TT hits =D Funding being unfair? Since when does the market control which class is theoretically better than the other? lf you wanna make it completely fair, give both classes a surplus of meso that way both top out, sairs hitting the top before the NL does simply because thief gear prices are moronic. Better yet, give them equal gear not equal mesos edit : and oh, 5 hits instead of 6, looks like l overestimated them [/quote] First of all, looking from your screenshot, the non-crits aren't even close to 100k, while the 200k crits aren't even consistent. Granted, I don't really know much about sins and their SP formula and such, but there's already some flawed logic. If you're going to say that they can do that damage given like perfect potentialed equips, then go ahead and do the same for a corsair and rapid fire. Consistent damage cap rapid fire, just like a BM's. I probably just failed but uh yeah. < didn't really read the whole thread

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gotpoker4 09/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] xIntegrity : you fail 2 math or something? l said /4.5 not /6../4.5 = max per non SP hits. example: (100k + 100k + 100k) < SP + (200k + 200k + 200k) < TT = 900k right? 900k / 4.5 = 200k, where does that give you 200k 6 times bra? lololol you can't even do that simple math, who knows how reliable your opinion is when you're comparing NLs and sairs based on a chart you probably don't even understand yourself LMFAO. You probably just looked at the chart and saw that sairs were on top and NLs were down there so you're immediately like "LOLOLOL I WIN YOU LOSE JAJAJAJA" Favoritism? You're a sair, l can say you're doing the same thing ^__^. And it's not even that, l KNOW DBs and bms that can hit cap or near cap dominate NLs but l still think the corsair being omg lyk3 0h so pr0 la is a little off. Oh and the trolling thing, it's a little of both. l'm really bored atm. On a side note, look, it's cap :D > http://i51.tinypic.com/2w2ftdf.jpg < lt appears NLs also have the advantage of a damage multiplier breaking the SP formula making it not match up with TT hits =D Funding being unfair? Since when does the market control which class is theoretically better than the other? lf you wanna make it completely fair, give both classes a surplus of meso that way both top out, sairs hitting the top before the NL does simply because thief gear prices are moronic. Better yet, give them equal gear not equal mesos edit : and oh, 5 hits instead of 6, looks like l overestimated them [/quote] I lol'd when i saw that SS. he hits 55k Non-crits. I'll humor you here. 200k+55k+57k+130k+35k+130k.(didn't show a number for the final hit, i'm going with the highest # there on SP hit) According to you, they'd need to hit 168k per star, correct? well... the total damage of the 6 stars is 607k. that means a little over 100k per star... sort of shot yourself in the foot with that screenshot, bro.

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NLs shouldn't outDPM Sairs, that'd just be rigged. I know Nexon has had a bit of a problem with balance at times, but I think they got the Sairs with the most potential for damage thing right. I mean, NLs post-BB will pretty much win in every area except damage output (Pot efficiency, mob control, survivability, party support), so you can't ask for everything. xD I'm personally satisfied with not being a top-DPM class because I'll still boss regularly and enjoy it too regardless of where NLs stand plus it'll shed off a lot of players that picked the job just for lulhighDPMz. xD Personally, for ship-breaking, I've seen both sides of the coin. It really depends on the player and how much they lag when it comes to Zakum/CWK PQ/etc. I've been with Sairs that easily keep their ships intact for nearly an entire Zakum run and they're only late 13x-14x, but I've also seen higher-leveled Sairs that can't keep their ships up for beans because their connections have just stankered. xD Edit: Speaking of NLs, I know no one here probably cares and it has nothing to do with this topic, but I've been an AVENGERRRR! fan since I put one point into it at Lvl 70 (I rarely sniped Newts, I get equal exp mobbing Himes/NS/even Typhons). I'm looking forward to its power boost so I can say "AVENGERRRRRRRRRRRR!" without looking like a crazy fool as much. xD

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xIntegrity 09/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] gotpoker4 : I lol'd when i saw that SS. he hits 55k Non-crits. I'll humor you here. 200k+55k+57k+130k+35k+130k.(didn't show a number for the final hit, i'm going with the highest # there on SP hit) According to you, they'd need to hit 168k per star, correct? well... the total damage of the 6 stars is 607k. that means a little over 100k per star... sort of shot yourself in the foot with that screenshot, bro. [/quote] attention to detail bra, max vs max 190k (his crit) vs 168k (nl crit)

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gotpoker4 09/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] xIntegrity : attention to detail bra, max vs max 190k (his crit) vs 168k (nl crit) [/quote] man, i'm confused... what are you arguing for?

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Guys it's k Mechanic will outdmg u all LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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[quote] gotpoker4 : man, i'm confused... what are you arguing for? [/quote] That 247k~1ishmil & 75% is better than 480?k~760k & 25% "25% of the time you'll non crit and do 247k" 75% of the time you'll hit 480k HMMM, what does that simplify to.. sair : 50% = 320k NL : 50% = 494k WAAAAAAAA?

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[quote] Johasua : Guys it's k Mechanic will outdmg u all LOLOLOLOLOLOL [/quote] can you show me your crystal ball, bro? you have no proof. as a lot of people would say, the best DPS character is the most funded one.

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[quote] xIntegrity : you fail 2 math or something? l said /4.5 not /6../4.5 = max per non SP hits. example: (100k + 100k + 100k) < SP + (200k + 200k + 200k) < TT = 900k right? 900k / 4.5 = 200k, where does that give you 200k 6 times bra? lololol you can't even do that simple math, who knows how reliable your opinion is when you're comparing NLs and sairs based on a chart you probably don't even understand yourself LMFAO. You probably just looked at the chart and saw that sairs were on top and NLs were down there so you're immediately like "LOLOLOL I WIN YOU LOSE JAJAJAJA" Favoritism? You're a sair, l can say you're doing the same thing ^__^. And it's not even that, l KNOW DBs and bms that can hit cap or near cap dominate NLs but l still think the corsair being omg lyk3 0h so pr0 la is a little off. Oh and the trolling thing, it's a little of both. l'm really bored atm. On a side note, look, it's cap :D > http://i51.tinypic.com/2w2ftdf.jpg < lt appears NLs also have the advantage of a damage multiplier breaking the SP formula making it not match up with TT hits =D Funding being unfair? Since when does the market control which class is theoretically better than the other? lf you wanna make it completely fair, give both classes a surplus of meso that way both top out, sairs hitting the top before the NL does simply because thief gear prices are moronic. Better yet, give them equal gear not equal mesos edit : and oh, 5 hits instead of 6, looks like l overestimated them [/quote] That screenshot is irrelevant until we know the potential/stats of the weapon that NL was using.

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[quote] xIntegrity : That 247k~1ishmil & 75% is better than 480?k~760k & 25% "25% of the time you'll non crit and do 247k" 75% of the time you'll hit 480k HMMM, what does that simplify to.. sair : 50% = 320k NL : 50% = 494k WAAAAAAAA? [/quote] You can't prove anything with the current GMS formula. It's all about BIG BANG which will eventually come and changes things ALOT. As far as I know, Corsair will be, cannon 300% x 5, 20% critical rate+ = 1500% Battleship +20 attack whenever riding it counter attack 40% chance to add 15% damage, which pretty much activates 100% in a boss run where we constantly get hit Homing +20% damage Now look at NL's future, Triple throw, 250% x 3 + shadow partner 125% x 3 = 750+ 475= 1225% Venom (?) 140% of your damage range... Does it even matter...? Also the difference of critical rate between Corsair and NL will be almost the same Corsair's cannon being 20% + critical shot 20%, 10% damage (40% crit, 10% damage naturally) NL's 50% crit , 15% SE and Thorns will both be stacking and have same effect on Corsair and NL We don't even need to add in our counter attack or homing to out % your TT. What else are you trying prove in a Corsair forum? Plus, our boat will have no cooldown at all if we are partied with a paladin and have +2 skills points from helmet. An equally funded Corsair will CLEARLY be better than a NL on damage. And damage only. But does it mean Corsair > NL? No. NL is way ahead of us in avoid and mobility and such. Though everything will be solved for us by bringing extra pots in a run.

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xIntegrity 09/21/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] evilXlive : You can't prove anything with the current GMS formula. It's all about BIG BANG which will eventually come and changes things ALOT. As far as I know, Corsair will be, cannon 300% x 5, 20% critical rate+ = 1500% Battleship +20 attack whenever riding it counter attack 40% chance to add 15% damage, which pretty much activates 100% in a boss run where we constantly get hit Homing +20% damage Now look at NL's future, Triple throw, 250% x 3 + shadow partner 125% x 3 = 750+ 475= 1225% Venom (?) 140% of your damage range... Does it even matter...? Also the difference of critical rate between Corsair and NL will be almost the same Corsair's cannon being 20% + critical shot 20%, 10% damage (40% crit, 10% damage naturally) NL's 50% crit , 15% SE and Thorns will both be stacking and have same effect on Corsair and NL We don't even need to add in our counter attack or homing to out % your TT. What else are you trying prove in a Corsair forum? Plus, our boat will have no cooldown at all if we are partied with a paladin and have +2 skills points from helmet. An equally funded Corsair will CLEARLY be better than a NL on damage. And damage only. But does it mean Corsair > NL? No. NL is way ahead of us in avoid and mobility and such. Though everything will be solved for us by bringing extra pots in a run. [/quote] "I take it that most of a Corsairs DPM post-bb occurs when they're on the boat, but how can they use it efficiently at bosses when some like Zakum are attacking every half a second?" Fixed it for you bud

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