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thread starter kirayamato26 Sep 04 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Project Site PDR = Physical Damage Reduction, you see it here, please do not post asking what it is If you want an introduction, here it is. I moved most of the math. Just a note for those of you who say that this is a lot of numbers: I did not calculate each and every single one of them, I just derived a general formula, wrote a Python script, and automated it. Table of Contents DPM % List Members Analysis Dark Knights Heroes Paladins DPM % Lists Dark Knight 10% PDR Dark Knight 20% PDR Dark Knight 50% PDR Dark Knight 70% PDR Dark Knight Hero 10% PDR Hero 20% PDR Hero 50% PDR Hero 70% PDR Hero Paladin 10% PDR Paladin 20% PDR Paladin 50% PDR Paladin 70% PDR Paladin Members kirayamato26 AdroxNight Analysis Dark Knights Active Skills: Dragon Fury � Level 30: 360% Crusher � Level 30: 145%, hits 3 times Sacrifice � Level 30: 690%, ignores PDR Supportive Skills: Mastery � Level 20: +50% mastery, +60 accuracy Final Attack � Level 20: 150% damage, 40% chance Judgement Dragon � Level 10: +30% critical chance, +15% minimum critical damage Dragon Blood � Level 20: +25 attack Dark Force � Level 30: 60% more damage, +1 hit to Crusher Beholder � Level 10: +20% mastery Beholder�s Revenge � Level 10: When hit, deals 700% damage to monster, 5 seconds cooldown Total Mastery: 90% (20% + 50% + 20%) Critical Chance: 35% (5% + 30%) Min Critical Damage: 35% (20% + 15%) Max Critical Damage: 50% (50% + 0%) Average Critical (multiply by): 114.875% (1 + 0.35 * (35% + 50%) / 2) Assuming hugging monster, Beholder�s Revenge activates 12 times: 12768% (700% * 1.6 * 12 * 0.95) Skill Percentages: Final Attack: 91.2% (150% * 1.6 * 0.95 * 0.4) Dragon Fury + FA: 638.4 % (360% * 1.6 * 0.95 + 91.2%) -->; This is what I mean by bringing it down to average Crusher + FA: 972.8% (145% * 4 * 1.6 * 0.95 + 91.2%) Sacrifice + FA: 1140% (690% * 1.6 * 0.95 + 91.2%) General Formula (Fury, Crusher): %/min = Skill % * (1 � PDR) * Average Critical * (1000 / Delay (ms) * 60) + 12768% * (1 � PDR) General Formula (Sacrifice): %/min = (1048.8% + 91.2% * (1 � PDR)) * Average Critical * (1000 / Delay (ms) * 60) + 12768% * (1 � PDR) These percentage lists were all automatically generated by a Python script. The DPM % list can be found here . Heroes Active Skill: Brave Slash � Level 30: 210% damage, hits 3 times Supportive Skill: Mastery � Level 20: +50% mastery, +60 accuracy Final Attack � Level 20: 150% damage, 40% chance Advanced Combos � Level 30: 10%/orb, 10 orbs Combat Mastery � Level 30: Ignore PDR at 40% chance Enrage � Level 30: 160% damage, limits attacks to 1 monster Total Mastery: 70% (20% + 50%) Critical Chance: 5% (5% + 0%) Min Critical Damage: 20% (20% + 0%) Max Critical Damage: 50% (50% + 0%) Average Critical (multiply by): 101.75% (1 + 0.05 * (20% + 50%) / 2) Final Attack (1vs1): 163.2% (150% * 2 * 1.6 * 0.85 * 0.4) Final Attack (1vs3): 102% (150% * 2 * 0.85 * 0.4) Skill Percentages: Brave Slash (1vs1): 1876.8% (210% * 3 * 2 * 1.6 * 0.85 + 163.2%) Brave Slash (1vs3): 1173% (210% * 3 * 2 *

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FFVIISephy 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

What do you mean by PDR?

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kirayamato26 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] FFVIISephy : What do you mean by PDR? [/quote] Physical Damage Reduction, it replaces defense post-BB.

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orangeking11 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Where are Dawn Warriors? Just kidding. xD

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Gardor 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

What is the point to this, sorry?

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vroomvroomha 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So umm...Whose better?

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Skrato 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Am I to take this to mean that heroes using brave slash will definitely outdamage Paladins? I'm not certain about all the numbers and what situations they apply to.

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kirayamato26 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Gardor : What is the point to this, sorry? [/quote] To gather information about the classes and discover situations in which they excel in. You could say that I'm trying to make a high accuracy DPM chart. [quote] vroomvroomha : So umm...Whose better? [/quote] Read the thread and draw your own conclusions, you'll have to do that someday. [quote] Skrato : Am I to take this to mean that heroes using brave slash will definitely outdamage Paladins? I'm not certain about all the numbers and what situations they apply to. [/quote] You could take it like that. The 50% PDR category is the most important one for bossing. These figures are for fire weak monsters (aka BF, Pianus): Blast Fire Dual Charge, Advantage: 100%, Lightning Advantage: 100%, PDR: 50%, Critical Rate: 5%, Min Crit: 20%, Max Crit: 50% Faster 2: 86617.550957%/min Faster 3: 79085.590004%/min Fast 4: 72758.742804%/min Fast 5: 69960.329619%/min Normal 6: 64963.163218%/min Slow 7: 60632.285670%/min Slow 8: 56842.767816%/min Slower 9: 56842.767816%/min And here's Brave Slash: Brave Slash (1vs1), PDR: 50%, Critical Rate: 5%, Min Crit: 20%, Max Crit: 50% Faster 2: 125120.000000%/min Faster 3: 114240.000000%/min Fast 4: 105100.800000%/min Fast 5: 101058.461538%/min Normal 6: 93840.000000%/min Slow 7: 87584.000000%/min Slow 8: 82110.000000%/min Slower 9: 82110.000000%/min Theoretically speaking, a Hero using a slower 9 sword (doesn't exist) would do more DPM than a Paladin with a fast 4 one.

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vroomvroomha 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Just tell me who wins please , I honestly dont even know what more than 99% of this means...TELL ME!

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Skrato 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] kirayamato26 : You could take it like that. The 50% PDR category is the most important one for bossing. These figures are for fire weak monsters (aka BF, Pianus): Blast Fire Dual Charge, Advantage: 100%, Lightning Advantage: 100%, PDR: 50%, Critical Rate: 5%, Min Crit: 20%, Max Crit: 50% Faster 2: 86617.550957%/min Faster 3: 79085.590004%/min Fast 4: 72758.742804%/min Fast 5: 69960.329619%/min Normal 6: 64963.163218%/min Slow 7: 60632.285670%/min Slow 8: 56842.767816%/min Slower 9: 56842.767816%/min And here's Brave Slash: Brave Slash (1vs1), PDR: 50%, Critical Rate: 5%, Min Crit: 20%, Max Crit: 50% Faster 2: 125120.000000%/min Faster 3: 114240.000000%/min Fast 4: 105100.800000%/min Fast 5: 101058.461538%/min Normal 6: 93840.000000%/min Slow 7: 87584.000000%/min Slow 8: 82110.000000%/min Slower 9: 82110.000000%/min Theoretically speaking, a Hero using a slower 9 sword (doesn't exist) would do more DPM than a Paladin with a fast 4 one. [/quote] Right.. but in the Paladin section it says advantage is 100%, shouldn't the element advantage be 150%? I'm just trying to understand how your tables work.

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kirayamato26 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] vroomvroomha : Just tell me who wins please , I honestly dont even know what more than 99% of this means...TELL ME! [/quote] 99% of this entire wall of text consists of numbers. I think you have the intelligence to compare 6 digit numbers (plus 6 decimals) and to tell which one is the greatest. Edit: @Skrato Whoops. That's helling embarrassing. Blast Fire Dual Charge, Advantage: 150%, Lightning Advantage: 100%, PDR: 50%, Critical Rate: 5%, Min Crit: 20%, Max Crit: 50% Faster 2: 126127.311043%/min Faster 3: 115159.718778%/min Fast 4: 105946.941276%/min Fast 5: 101872.058919%/min Normal 6: 94595.483282%/min Slow 7: 88289.117730%/min Slow 8: 82771.047872%/min Slower 9: 82771.047872%/min A little better than Heroes.

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Skrato 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] kirayamato26 : 99% of this entire wall of text consists of numbers. I think you have the intelligence to compare 6 digit numbers (plus 6 decimals) and to tell which one is the greatest. Edit: @Skrato Whoops. That's helling embarrassing. Blast Fire Dual Charge, Advantage: 150%, Lightning Advantage: 100%, PDR: 50%, Critical Rate: 5%, Min Crit: 20%, Max Crit: 50% Faster 2: 126127.311043%/min Faster 3: 115159.718778%/min Fast 4: 105946.941276%/min Fast 5: 101872.058919%/min Normal 6: 94595.483282%/min Slow 7: 88289.117730%/min Slow 8: 82771.047872%/min Slower 9: 82771.047872%/min A little better than Heroes. [/quote] Ok, I've got it. That's very reassuring, that Nexon has balanced the two classes to have similar damage on fire-weak again. That means that Paladins won't be too high up the DPM charts for neutral and so not too overplayed. I'm looking forward to being a defensive class!

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AerialRaveV2 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Just a question, what grade are you in O-O All those scripts and stuff blows my mind.

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kirayamato26 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Skrato : Ok, I've got it. That's very reassuring, that Nexon has balanced the two classes to have similar damage on fire-weak again. That means that Paladins won't be too high up the DPM charts for neutral and so not too overplayed. I'm looking forward to being a defensive class! [/quote] But the thing is, our 50% PDR DPM can't even touch a Hero's 70% PDR DPM. X_X Edit: @Above Going into 12th grade.

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Lythorn 09/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Kira is a loser . All talk no walk, hehe. Go hit 160 Kira lazy butt!

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