Wich is better for a Bowman

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thread starter PeluchePower Aug 27 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hello, I was wondering now with the Potential stuff, wich build is better now ? Go STRless, get scrolled stuff for STR, and potential of DEX % Go Low STR, get scrolled stuff for DEX, and potential of DEX % Im going to use a 140 W.ATT XBow if that helps, level 100 one Also can you explain why you picked one of this builds ? Im kinda stupid with numbers and I dont know how BM/MM/WH work D=

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xSirSethx 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Go STRless, get scrolled stuff for DEX, and potential of DEX %, get a Nishada and put the god finger on it.

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beerbeer 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] xSirSethx : Go STRless, get scrolled stuff for DEX, and potential of DEX %, get a Nishada and put the god finger on it. [/quote] Going STRless and getting a godly Nishada (115+) is MUCH more expensive than going low-str and getting a good 140+ Neschere. We're talking about more expensive in the range of billions, and the damage difference wouldn't even be THAT great.

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xSirSethx + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] beerbeer : Going STRless and getting a godly Nishada (115+) is MUCH more expensive than going low-str and getting a good 140+ Neschere. We're talking about more expensive in the range of billions, and the damage difference wouldn't even be THAT great. [/quote] Of course its going to be more expensive, but I totally disagree with the damage. Not only could you make a Nishada 130, its much faster, and the bonus of not needing any str will put you far superior over the low str. Edit: This is the most superior build for an xbow.

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spiritrival 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] xSirSethx : Of course its going to be more expensive, but I totally disagree with the damage. Not only could you make a Nishada 130, its much faster, and the bonus of not needing any str will put you far superior over the low str. Edit: This is the most superior build for an xbow. [/quote] Actually, it's only like 3 shots per minute faster. It's really not that significant. The extra Dex would translate to around an extra 20 Atk, which would be helping the most. A Low Str would just need an extra 23 Atk to overcome the Dex bonus and the speed bonus. And if you can make a 130 Atk Nishada, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to make a 150 Atk Neschere.

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xSirSethx 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] spiritrival : Actually, it's only like 3 shots per minute faster. It's really not that significant. The extra Dex would translate to around an extra 20 Atk, which would be helping the most. A Low Str would just need an extra 23 Atk to overcome the Dex bonus and the speed bonus. And if you can make a 130 Atk Nishada, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to make a 150 Atk Neschere. [/quote] Yes around 20 extra attack at the base, but you are not factoring in the cost of equips for a low str user to hold a Neschere; while the Strless goes for more dex gear instead making them even stronger. The only advantage I see atm for normal xbow users is the potential bonus. I haven't checked it out, but I presume maple weapons don't have this ability yet? And probably will if they emerge from another event. Again I haven't look into the potential material, haven't been on lately.

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spiritrival 08/28/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] xSirSethx : Yes around 20 extra attack at the base, but you are not factoring in the cost of equips for a low str user to hold a Neschere; while the Strless goes for more dex gear instead making them even stronger. The only advantage I see atm for normal xbow users is the potential bonus. I haven't checked it out, but I presume maple weapons don't have this ability yet? And probably will if they emerge from another event. Again I haven't look into the potential material, haven't been on lately. [/quote] Low Str will be cheaper. Low Str Bowmen can utilize equips like Str capes, Str overalls, and all of the Str on items like a Zakum Helm or a Mark of Naricain. Str equips are often cheaper than their Dex equivalents since everyone is going after Dex. This may require some self-scrolling though, which may or may not make it more expensive for some.

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xSirSethx 08/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] spiritrival : Low Str will be cheaper. Low Str Bowmen can utilize equips like Str capes, Str overalls, and all of the Str on items like a Zakum Helm or a Mark of Naricain. Str equips are often cheaper than their Dex equivalents since everyone is going after Dex. This may require some self-scrolling though, which may or may not make it more expensive for some. [/quote] Forget what I said about potential, apparently they are in maple gear too. I understand that Str will be cheaper, what I am saying is that Dex equips will give the Statless character an advantage since he doesn't need str gear to bridge the gap for weapon requirements. The real question for low str is: How much str will be required in gear to bridge the gap they have for base str, in order to achieve their goal.

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AlwaysBowman 08/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I got 66 base and im doing fine.

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beerbeer 08/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

50 base unfunded and I'm doing swell. Jussayin'

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RedRyders 08/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

People go stre-less because of " M.W"

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Zarenthye 08/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] xSirSethx : Forget what I said about potential, apparently they are in maple gear too. I understand that Str will be cheaper, what I am saying is that Dex equips will give the Statless character an advantage since he doesn't need str gear to bridge the gap for weapon requirements. The real question for low str is: How much str will be required in gear to bridge the gap they have for base str, in order to achieve their goal. [/quote] You don't need to focus on STR gear to wear high level crossbows. You gain STR easily through items that you would use anyways. Example : Scar helms could give 17 DEX, but they also give 17 STR. Medals, glasses, makered equips, rings, etc. If you're gettting +60 STR from equips, then why not utilize it?

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xSirSethx + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Zarenthye : You don't need to focus on STR gear to wear high level crossbows. You gain STR easily through items that you would use anyways. Example : Scar helms could give 17 DEX, but they also give 17 STR. Medals, glasses, makered equips, rings, etc. If you're gettting +60 STR from equips, then why not utilize it? [/quote] It true certain equips like the zhelm become a common denominator, but how much required str is in the gear not universally worn upon by both Statless characters and low str that is needed? Either the low str will raise base str, or buy more str gear to equip the bow. Even though the zhelms helps alot, there is still a bigger gap. Where will they acquire this str? Cape? Overall? Earrings? Top/Bottom? Belt? Normal Stat bows may have 10~20 attack advantage over Statless bows on max potential, but there are various cons that might make the Statless character superior. Low Str Cons/Statless Pros Weapon Speed: (On this forum it was said 3 more shots, which IS actually quite a bit considering the damage done especially at higher levels.) Difference in Base Str:4 vs Low Str which is? Required Str Equips to wear a Normal Stat bow vs Same Equips for Dex : Overall, Earrings, Cape... What gear is exactly needed for Low Str characters? (aside from the usual bonus stats of common needed equipment like the zhelm.) Edit: Good point on the medals, and the rings.. The answer I am looking for is what the sacrifice a low str character has to make to acquire the total needed str for his weapon based on equips; which the strless simply uses for dex. Final Edit: Here is my theory. That somewhere the Low Str character will have to sacrifice potential dex gear for str, a set amount of str just to achieve the gap. The loss amount of dex will be an advantage towards the Statless character, take the amount of dex the Statless character has in advantage towards equips add it with the advantage towards the base, and then factor this bonus with the weapon attack of their bow and measure this against the Low Str character's weapon. Statless will win the speed test, but the question is will they win the damage test. And we are talking about in absolutist terms. I am convinced, the Low Str character doesn't have enough str to acquire in equips without sacrificing for dex. Making the Statless character superior on overall weapon damage. The question remains: how much dex will the statless character have more than the low str in terms of base+equips and will this be enough to become even more powerful? And would any of you guys mind telling me what the average range of a low str is? More precisely the best possible low str?

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