I dont get this? *POST BB THREAD*

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thread starter Gutanaclone Aug 27 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Since after big bang, magic atk is going to be to our damage, as atk is to other jobs. And one m.atk is going to be alot better than one int. And people are saying to go reg luk because of the m.atk we're missing out, and the % gear. But what I dont get is, why is it such a big difference for mages to have 4 on their secondary stat, as opposed to everyone else, there were always dexless sins, they are certainly missing out on attack without the high level claws, but they're fine. What makes mages so different after bb?

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Extreme360 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Mages need luk or you'll miss like hell

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theiastmedic 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Extreme360 The new formula states that int gives more accuracy than luk. Mages want luk so that they can wear higher level weapons for higher m.atk.

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Gutanaclone 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lol really? But magic accuracy cant be that much basil on luk? Can it?

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PhoenixShots 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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Kalemora + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] theiastmedic : Extreme360 The new formula states that int gives more accuracy than luk. Mages want luk so that they can wear higher level weapons for higher m.atk. [/quote] The accuracy formula is 1.2*LUK+INT+Accuracy from equipment. Also, IIRC, many DEXless Sins will convert to Low DEX later on in order to equip higher leveled claws. It's similar with Arch Mages who can afford a 163 Staff. As for Bishops, their best weapon hands down is a Reverse Aeas Hand, until those 127 items are released anyhow. If those are released, Bishops may be better off LUKless. This isn't counting the bonuses gained in potential from wearing higher leveled equips.

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theiastmedic 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Oh it got switched? Before I read that is was 1.2*Int+1.0*Luk+something something.

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Gutanaclone 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Would having bless make up for the accuracy lost from going lukless?

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johny2toes 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You're not going to get away cheating with acc equips and bless isn't going to do a thing to rly help you. A lukless mage isn't going to ever hit anything worth training on at that lv. You require luk now or else you're just messing yourself up. Only a godly player would be able to pull off lukless anymore by having luk gear.

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Pyrolakitu + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Saying a LUKless Mage needs LUK to hit stuff is exactly like saying a DEXless sin needs DEX, k. It's not that necessary, but the 163 Staff is now better than the 130 Wand, so yeah. :| Also, mage's staves are massively powerful compared to sin's claws. Think about it; a Reverse Lampion has 54 base ATT. A Reverse Aeas Hand has 135 Magic and the ultimate Elemental Staves have 178 . I dunno if this has been changed or anything, but yeah. Really a lot stronger. Dexless sins are fine because the attack difference between the highest DEXless claw (Skanda) is only 20 ATT from the Reverse Lampion. Aside from the Elemental wands, the strongest LUKless staff is the Wisdom Staff, at 80, a whopping 55 M. Att away from the Reverse Aeas. Right now, LUKLess mages only work because of Elemental Wands. After BB, an Elemental Staff 5-8 has 33 more M.ATT than an Elemental Wand, costing 159 more LUK. However, taking out the LUK gained from a Zakum Helmet, higher level gear and HTP, you only need something like 100-120 base LUK; 100-120 lost INT is more than made up for by the 33 extra M.ATT from the Ele Staff.

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Russisch 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

OH MY GOAHFIEABIFBADWKJEAWBKJFLD Accuracy is nothing. Low-luk will rain supreme, iinm.

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Etrieys 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

People made DEXless sins because they were ignorant - It was about status, not damage. People made LUKless mages because they believed them to be the best - They're wrong now, and they'll be wrong after the big bang patch. People wanting to optimise damage wouldn't be LUKless. I guess in short, the reason why LUKless will die is this. Character : Mage LUKless : Reason why? Best damage. Low-LUK : Reason why? Best damage. Reg. LUK : Reason why? Likes mages. Post Big Bang Character : Mage LUKless : Reason why? ... Cheap? Low-LUK : Reason why? Absolute best damage. Reg. LUK : Second best damage, likes mages. The only reason people went LUKless was for damage. Now that LUKless isn't the best damage out there, people'll stop makin' 'em.

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shenron 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

A funded low stat in any class is best. Period. Why do sins go low dex, lampion. Why do pally/hero do low dex, stone tooth. Why do mages go low luck, rev/e-staff. All classes go low stat in the end. Only people I can see statless are people who can get the VIP weapons. Especially bowman and warriors who have no need for high secondary stats for high lvl armor to utilize potential to the fullest.

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Katsuruka 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I'm not getting some of what's being said HERE about accuracy. Using the formulas listed under the the KMS Big Bang Revamp thingy at the top of Basilmarket page, I put my current stats into the magical accuracy formula, checked out what the new relevant monster avoid would be, and calculated my hit rate. I'm not including my exact figures, because I don't particularly want to give people a laugh at how weak I am for my level, but put your own stats in and do the calculatiions. I'm lvl 154, lukless, mediocre equips, and according to the information I found, I'll have absolutely no problems hitting the newly revamped lvl 150 skeles unless they have a ridiculously high avoid for their level. As for damage, shenron seems to be making reasonably good sense.

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Icephoenix21 08/27/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So..being as I capped my luk at 75 (126 total luk)... Is that good, post BB?

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