A GUIDE to Understanding Shadower

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thread starter ruffxdawgz Aug 24 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

***This guide is in hopes that shadowers will finally realize what they really have. I also added a mini guide for equips to be dexless/strless using only 60%/70% scrolls.*** First off, I'd like to say that I never usually hung out at forums. I came back a few months ago to see that Shadowers were so badly disrespected. and now I know why. It's not because other characters don't understand shadowers BUT that shadowers themselves do not understand shadowers. everywhere i look, on forums and videos... shadowers calculate their damage by using Savage BLOW and bstep. or letting the crit come out on assassinate. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? SAVAGE BLOW IS A 2ND JOB MOVE! EVEN IF SB is 100% per stab...that's only 600% ASSASSINATE IS 600% x 3! for a whopping 1800% n for those that do use assassinate. I bow down to you. BUT WHY LET THE CRIT COME OUT IF it's NOT CHARGED? first of all. IT'S SLOW. 2nd. it puts you out of position and you either have to turn around to bstep or go back into dark sight. 3rd. BSTEP is MORE POWERFUL because the 200% crit for assassinate is glitched. (very rarely takes effect if uncharged) do yourself a favor. YOU SEE THOSE MACRO BUTTONS? put in dark sight, assassinate, bstep. Now go play around for a while until u know how to pot n use it without dying and learn how to control it like a 1 skill move. for example...spamming this skill in the middle of the map will push the monster too far away after ur 2nd combo. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PRESS A DIRECTION BUTTON n BAM> your crit move will come out and put u closer to the monster. NOW GO SPAM THAT SUCKER AGAIN. ASSASSINATE/BSTEP! OK now that that's cleared up let's talk about DPM. I'll only compare Shads to the 2 most popular chars in the game since I'm sure there's already countless threads about the other chars. NL = 1012.5% per TT 3 TT = 3037.5% Hero = 650% x 2 per brandish = 1300% (for 2 handed) ***1 handed heroes are currently overpowered.*** (attacks about 2.5x) Shadower = 600% x 3 (assassinate) + 500% x 2 (bstep) 2800% So if you look. (without apple or se) a shadower with similar equips WILL outdamage a hero on 1v1 and outdamage NL on mobs. (with apple n SE however, NL GREATLY overpowers because of TT's damage calculations and the way crit works.) But enough about numbers. Let's put this in actual game scenarios. against zak (without apples and crits) on arms... Heroes > all (except maybe DKs) (2600% to 3 mobs/2 seconds) Shads aren't too far behind. (2000% to 3 mobs/2 seconds) (bstep only) STOP WITH THE SAVAGE BLOW/BSTEP ON ARMS! SAVAGE BLOW IS A 2ND JOB MOVE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! on body... NL > all (3037.5%/ 2 seconds) Shads are about 2800%/2 seconds Heroes = 2600%/2 seconds BUT...numbers doesn't tell the whole story. I'll have to admit. with an apple and SE. RANGED greatly outdamages all. and with Stance.... heroes attack uninterrupted while Shadow Shifter still tosses a shadower around a bit... HOWEVER, Shadowers can Ninja Ambush then charge up assassinate during def up.

My Characters: iblurredi - 169 Khaini Shadower

BoomerangStepz 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I found some interesting stuff in here. I also found some useful stuff in here. If anyone thinks it's too long, you just might benefit from reading it.

My Characters: Scycthe - 128 Windia Shadower

vampirespie 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

In the big bang section, I want to know where you got that BS is becoming weaker from. BS is going from 500% to 600% and getting a smaller delay, along with the shadow partner bonus you listed.

My Characters: Vergraben - 131 Broa Shadower

xdisarestax 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

very interesting topic. heh 1handed weapons become the weakest weapon, hmm...I wonder how much that'll handicap us.

My Characters: zDisaresta - 115 Broa Chief Bandit

ruffxdawgz 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

they nerfed bstep to 390% then brought it back to 470% and might lower it again. they keep going back n forth. adding a 50% shadow will make it about 1200% to 1600%. it's a decent upgrade. but if you compare it to other characters....it's not as much. NLs gain 120% per Triple throw and their claws become the most powerful weapon in the game. Marksman prolly gets the biggest damage boost but they needed it. and heroes get that ignore 40% of monster def skill. (main boss def is 50% of total damage...so that means in bosses, heroes will have a 20% total dmg advantage) a lot more in pink bean. Nexon did make shadowers even sicker in training though. we're already the fastest in training with bstep/venom/BoT.... and now that they made BoT and Assaulter as strong as 4th job moves....training is going to be so easy. What i meant by nerf though was that Bstep will really start to suck against bosses. everyone will be forced to learn to use assassinate effectively which got a pretty good boost. check out vids for Shadowers bossing in Time Temple. 1hk0ed every single boss.

My Characters: iblurredi - 169 Khaini Shadower

aaronthecow 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Assassinate+bs takes longer than two seconds,and to be honest will the game really be fun when you 1 hit ever boss....things are hardly boss .Also for example take zakums 3rd body for example,I cannot take a body hit,I can rush into the body and die<Or I could sb bs with Se which gives me a dps similar.

My Characters: xtxoxmx - 173 Bera Shadower

chaosx69 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Well GMS is very different form KMS along the lines of Shadower skills. Ex: Assulter only hits one time in GMS, opposed to 3 times in KMS (6 with SP). We also have stronger Boomerang Step in GMS (currently 500% each hit (BEFORE BB!)). After BB Boomerang Step is predicted to be beefed up to 600%.

My Characters: RemoStevo - 130 Scania Shadower

ruffxdawgz 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

if you stay about an inch away/half an inch from the steps...you can assassinate/bstep safely. if you get sealed, you'll get pushed forward but not close enough to actually hit the body. it takes some practice....after a while, u'll know when u get sealed n just press the arrow the other way. after big bang you get a meso guard boost that blocks 70% of damage. so get used to using assassinate now. and as far as still using savage blow in your case against zak. it's ok damage with SE, but weak compared to other chars. on arms though, bstep/bot or just spamming bstep is faster. n try this out. ask a 2 handed hero or a DK to use their skills. and stand next to them n spam assassinate bstep. it's about the same speed. if you can record n actually look at frames it'd be a lot easier. hero/ski dk is a bit faster but not enough to make a difference. now try spamming the macro darksight, assassinate, bstep. if you notice. you go into darksight before bstep gets back to you. n sorry if i try to sound like a know it all. i'm just really annoyed at all the shadower bashing. Shadower's main problems were always HP and equipment. not damage.

My Characters: iblurredi - 169 Khaini Shadower

Starblitzkrieg 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I believe bstep is 600%x2 after BB, not counting in SP bonus. With max bstep SB should be 115%x6. Also, nate was nerfed to 560%. Also, charging assassinate does roughly the same DPS as just spamming DS. Post/Pre BB you will be using bstep+SB at bosses until you get 21+ assassinate.

My Characters: SkinnerV - 132 KradiaGMS Shadower

aaronthecow + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ruffxdawgz : if you stay about an inch away/half an inch from the steps...you can assassinate/bstep safely. if you get sealed, you'll get pushed forward but not close enough to actually hit the body. it takes some practice....after a while, u'll know when u get sealed n just press the arrow the other way. after big bang you get a meso guard boost that blocks 70% of damage. so get used to using assassinate now. and as far as still using savage blow in your case against zak. it's ok damage with SE, but weak compared to other chars. on arms though, bstep/bot or just spamming bstep is faster. n try this out. ask a 2 handed hero or a DK to use their skills. and stand next to them n spam assassinate bstep. it's about the same speed. if you can record n actually look at frames it'd be a lot easier. hero/ski dk is a bit faster but not enough to make a difference. now try spamming the macro darksight, assassinate, bstep. if you notice. you go into darksight before bstep gets back to you. n sorry if i try to sound like a know it all. i'm just really annoyed at all the shadower bashing. Shadower's main problems were always HP and equipment. not damage. [/quote] Equal funding,heros and dark knights will always come out above.Perfect equips also,there is a reason they top the charts you don't have to make us seem like something we aren't just so everyone gets a huge ego boost.With crit ring and se,it doesn't really make a difference,my sbs were doing what a nls tt does.Also,don't use the line without xxx gear,everyone did this me included and people with much better gear than myself.

My Characters: xtxoxmx - 173 Bera Shadower

PhantomMapler 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You know, with bandits being a less common than other classes, I've always wondered why the dagger/scroll prices were so damn high =/ I mean they were like 4m ea back a year or two ago when I rarely saw another dit outside of pq's

My Characters: PhantomMist - 90 Khaini Chief Bandit

lunarpocky + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] PhantomMapler : You know, with bandits being a less common than other classes, I've always wondered why the dagger/scroll prices were so damn high =/ I mean they were like 4m ea back a year or two ago when I rarely saw another dit outside of pq's [/quote] a year ago o_O. what are you talking about they used to be 1.5-2m TT_TT. stupid db's caused the inflation. also to ts you got some interesting stuff here but i kinda dont like looking at all the technicalities, and just go along with w/e i like using or i feel comfortable with. but idk my perception might change when i hit 4th job.

My Characters: bassxpanda - 90 Bera Chief Bandit

PhantomMapler 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lunarpocky Well I remember back when I played like everyday a year or two ago they used to be 4m, long before the db inflation.

My Characters: PhantomMist - 90 Khaini Chief Bandit

chaosx69 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] PhantomMapler : lunarpocky Well I remember back when I played like everyday a year or two ago they used to be 4m, long before the db inflation. [/quote] you on drugs? he's right they were 1.5-2m....maybe you got scammed? O.o

My Characters: RemoStevo - 130 Scania Shadower

ruffxdawgz 08/24/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

google maplestory extractions good source for extractions (basil pls don't ban me for this. lol) u'll see current bstep numbers... don't get me wrong. SB is still a super powerful attack. just that 3rd job/4th job moves are much better in training. Bstep/BoT/Bstep is faster than Bstep/SB/Bstep even before balancing patch. and Bstep/BoT is stronger on anything more than 1 monster (350%x2 > 480%) and if you still think assassinate is slow... compare it with a DB...supposedly a super godly overpowered char right? CoH is 3000% or 3500% with shadow (maple is capped at 15 attacks and I doubt DBs can use shadow on bosses with their HP) Assassinate/Bstep is 2800% now use assassinate and stand next to a DB n see how long it takes em to throw their skill and finally get into their CoH animation. and don't forget. their dagger and blade damage are separate. so even with a godly 130 attk dagger and 100 attk blade. shadower's 2800% with 130attk dagger and 10 attk shield > the 3000% of the DB. They'll need shadow, thorns and final cut just to balance it out. and as far as scroll prices -.- daggers have always been up there in prices right below claw scrolls ever since 05/06. bow scrolls go up and down. the rest are fairly cheap. and pocky n mapler. I prolly made MILLIONS off you. lmao but lemme ask you a question... how many 110+ daggers have you seen in FM before this year? Unless you maker it yourself or you were funded, there weren't many. If anything. DBS made daggers cheaper...n that is the actual truth. scroll prices more expensive? maybe. but more scrolled daggers = shadowers more affordable btw. i see so many shadowers/bandits that hates their char so much....i wonder why they are one?

My Characters: iblurredi - 169 Khaini Shadower