My post Big Bang build for Rogues-->Bandits-->CBs--> Shads

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thread starter XxRocky Aug 20 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Introduction The long awaited Big Bang Patch is nearing! And we ask ourselves, "How should we add our SP?" This guide will provide the basic concepts and explanations to maximize your skill distribution! 1st Job. Rogue Congratulations! You've advanced as a Rogue in the depths of Kerning! As a fresh rogue you'll receive a generous HP/ MP boost as well as one SP point. Your skills as a Rogue consist of: � Nimble Body: Increases the Accuracy and Avoidability. - - - Max level 20: Adds 60 Accuracy and Avoidability. � Keen Eyes: Increases the range of throwing stars. - - - Max level 5: Range of throwing stars increased to 200. � Disorder: Decrease the defence and physical attack of the enemy. The enemy will also stop attacking you. - - - Max level 10: -10 MP, -10% defence, -20 attack for 60 seconds. � Dark Sight: Hide in the shadows so you won't be seen by the enemy. However, you also can't attack. BUT YOU CAN USE POTIONS NOW! Requires level 3 Disorder - - - Max level 10: -5 MP, hide in the shadow for 200 seconds, no speed reduction. � Double Stab: Swiftly stab an enemy twice with a dagger. - - - Max level 20: -14 MP, 130% damage each stab. � Lucky Seven: Throw two stars to the enemy. - - - Max level 20: -14 MP, 170% damage each star. Classic Rogue Build Lvl 10 [1 Double Stab] Lvl 11 [4 Double Stab] LVl 12 [7 Double Stab] Lvl 13 [10 Double Stab] Lvl 14 [13 Double Stab] Lvl 15 [16 Double Stab] Lvl 16 [19 Double Stab] Lvl 17 [20 Double Stab(MAX)] [2 Nimble Body] Lvl 18 [5 Nimble Body] Lvl 19 [8 Nimble Body] Lvl 20 [11 Nimble Body] Lvl 21 [14 Nimble Body] Lvl 22 [17 Nimble Body] Lvl 23 [20 Nimble Body (MAX)] Lvl 24 [3 Disorder] Lvl 25 [3 Dark Sight] Lvl 26 [6 Dark Sight] Lvl 27 [9 Dark Sight] Lvl 28 [10 Dark Sight (MAX)] [2 Free Points] Lvl 29 [5 Free Points] Lvl 30 [8 Free Points] End Results: 20 Double Stab 20 Nimble Body 3 Disorder 10 Dark Sight 8 Free Points. Some may suggest that the SinDit Build is quicker. The difference is you first use throwing stars instead of a dagger. Instead of adding into Double Stab you'll first add into Keen Eyes and Lucky 7. End Results: (SinDit) 5 Keen Eyes 20 Lucky 7 20 Nimble Body 3 Disorder 10 Dark Sight 3 Free Points 2nd Job! Bandit Now that you've advanced to a Bandit once again you're awarded with a hearty HP / MP buff and a Skill Point. The skills you'll receive as a Bandit are: � Dagger Mastery: Improves the mastery of daggers, as well as increasing the accuracy and the maximum stars per slot. - - - Max level 20: +50% mastery, +60 accuracy. � Shadow Resistance: Permanently increases the HP, as well as the resistance to the elements. - - - Max level 20: +10% maximum HP, +20% resistance to the elements. � Dagger Booster: Consume MP to increase the weapon attack speed with 2 steps. Can only be triggered when equipped with a dagger. Requires level 5 Dagger Mastery. - - - Max level 20: -11 MP, increases the attack speed for 200 seconds. � Haste: Increase the speed and jumping ability of everyone in the party. - - - Ma

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j0s3a4d 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You need 20 Points into mastery now in order to get the full +50% Mastery Increase. For a more detailed guide please visit: http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/1667393/1/Post__Big_Bang_Bandit_Guide.html# Thanks.

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XxRocky 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Thanks for the input but why do I feel like you're hijacking my thread? The comment about a 'more detailed' guide was unnecessary. We have different builds where I disagree with leaving Steal at 7. Unless proven that BoT's forward range is greater than Steal then I'll have to disagree on that part.

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j0s3a4d 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] XxRocky : Thanks for the input but why do I feel like you're hijacking my thread? The comment about a 'more detailed' guide was unnecessary. We have different builds where I disagree with leaving Steal at 7. Unless proven that BoT's forward range is greater than Steal then I'll have to disagree on that part. [/quote] But BoT does not only attack forward though. It attacks up, behind and down. I also said that Steal is a good skill if you are starting up as a Bandit but if you already have BoT then I don't see much point into maxing it. Also I didn't said 7. I said 7 or 11. And I was kinda hijacking your thread... Sorry dude

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XxRocky 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The only reason I would ever consider Steal is because of two reasons: I find no use for PP and IF it has a better forward range than BoT. If it's too confusing this is what I mean: ___o_____x__x____x__x Let o represent your character and let x be your monsters. Here we will assume BStep will be able to hit all of them. If BoT is only able to hit one while Steal can hit the first two then why not use Steal instead? Pros of Steal: Faster early leveling. Better forward range than BoT. (UNCONFIRMED) Cons of Steal: If BoT has an equal forward range to Steal then Steal is completely useless. And it's no big deal man. I'm just sharing my thoughts on the build after BB. Some people would recommend different builds and I'm just sharing one of them.

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coalman4444 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Wow... Nice guide Will be looking foward to be making a Dit

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EnigmaX 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

1 thing i noticed was the Build with shadow partner and BoT after. Most people usuually do the meso explosion build first for faster training. So i think you could look into that. Other than that i like the build Pretty good

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XxRocky 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] EnigmaX : 1 thing i noticed was the Build with shadow partner and BoT after. Most people usuually do the meso explosion build first for faster training. So i think you could look into that. Other than that i like the build Pretty good [/quote] See I've never used ME in my early levels so I wouldn't have any experience or input on that. But if that's the popular trend nowadays then so be it. I actually posted a ME first build on a previous thread but I never thought a lot of people actually used ME early on :P

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Rayquaza2233 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I personally think you should max Greed before Boomerang Step.

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aaronthecow + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

We don't need a million threads on xxx should be the new build?,After the bb what will be the new builds seriously there are so many also,to the comment where you said what if bot only hit one monster....you would use assaulter ,sb,or assassinate.Not a mob move.

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XxRocky 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] aaronthecow : We don't need a million threads on xxx should be the new build?,After the bb what will be the new builds seriously there are so many also,to the comment where you said what if bot only hit one monster....you would use assaulter ,sb,or assassinate.Not a mob move. [/quote] In that particular scenario SB could hit the first monster. Assassinate could hit the first monster and use the BStep cancel but if they can use magic that would take too long. And Assaulter could hit the first monster and tackle the second, then when you're in the midst of the monsters BStep and BoT your way out. In this case I would use Steal. If you could two then why not hit two? You need to be able to devise damage efficient tactics for every scenario. If it was a 1v1 then yes I would use SB/Assaulter/ Assassinate. I mean there are a ton of builds you could do. You could have an SP-less build with Chakra right? The only variables in the builds are going to be: Shield Mastery. Chakra. and PP. Some may argue Steal is useless but I would like to debate that.

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aaronthecow 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] XxRocky : In that particular scenario SB could hit the first monster. Assassinate could hit the first monster and use the BStep cancel but if they can use magic that would take too long. And Assaulter could hit the first monster and tackle the second, then when you're in the midst of the monsters BStep and BoT your way out. In this case I would use Steal. If you could two then why not hit two? You need to be able to devise damage efficient tactics for every scenario. If it was a 1v1 then yes I would use SB/Assaulter/ Assassinate. I mean there are a ton of builds you could do. You could have an SP-less build with Chakra right? The only variables in the builds are going to be: Shield Mastery. Chakra. and PP. Some may argue Steal is useless but I would like to debate that. [/quote] You really missed the point of my post.

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XxRocky 08/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] aaronthecow : You really missed the point of my post. [/quote] I can be oblivious sometimes. What can I say?

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1st job: It's still faster to train with Lucky 7 than it is with double stab, mind you, especially if there's no minimum range anymore [aka no punching with claw]. 2nd job: Is the new steal really that good? Anyway, I'm sure I rather have a decent 1v1 attack than a 10% passive HP boost first. No bandit is going to fight anything at Lv. 5x/6x that would need an extra 10% HP. We both have been bandits before, so I'm sure you know where I'm coming from. 3rd job: You should really put 3 chakra there as it's a pre-requisite for meso guard. Otherwise, it's good. 4th job: Honestly, anyone with a brain would not take the assassinate or shadow shifter first build [Coming from a NL]. No shad I know would train on pap twice a day as his main source of training. Bstep first all the way as it serves as both your 1v1 and training skill.

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XxRocky + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] bombinator : 1st job: It's still faster to train with Lucky 7 than it is with double stab, mind you, especially if there's no minimum range anymore [aka no punching with claw]. 2nd job: Is the new steal really that good? Anyway, I'm sure I rather have a decent 1v1 attack than a 10% passive HP boost first. No bandit is going to fight anything at Lv. 5x/6x that would need an extra 10% HP. We both have been bandits before, so I'm sure you know where I'm coming from. 3rd job: You should really put 3 chakra there as it's a pre-requisite for meso guard. Otherwise, it's good. 4th job: Honestly, anyone with a brain would not take the assassinate or shadow shifter first build [Coming from a NL]. No shad I know would train on pap twice a day as his main source of training. Bstep first all the way as it serves as both your 1v1 and training skill. [/quote] 1st Job: Yes you're right. But we all have different preferences to play. 2nd Job: The new Steal does seem pretty good. 300% x4 at ranged. I actually meant to put SB before Resistance. My bad XD 3rd Job: I heard from some people that you won't need Chakra for the Pre-Req. I edited just in case I'm wrong. 4th Job: I'm kinda confused on what you're saying. The Assassinate and Shifter Build is AFTER you have maxed BStep and Greed. Sorry if it was confusing.

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