Hero vs DK post-BB

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thread starter qwerty890 Aug 14 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hero vs DK Post-BB *for results scroll all the way down (VII. Conclusion)* Table of Contents: I......Stats II.....Equips III....Skills Used in Calculations IV....Damage Formulas V.....Calculations VI....Pre-Conclusion VII...Conclusion I. Stats base + lvl up ap + equips + MW = Total ap used in calculations 4 + 994 + 25 + 15% = 1,175 4 + 6 + 40 + 15% = 55 4 + 0 + 15 + 15% = 23 4 + 0 + 15 + 15% = 23 II. Equips *these equips are COMPLETE random so don't complain if they don't suit you* For both Hero and DK: 15/15/15/15 Zakum Helmet 1/1/1/1 Broken Glasses No earrings (forgot...) 18 dex Bathrobe 14 atk Mittens (because I like Mittens more than WGs) 2 atk Face Stompers or Socks (whatever you like) 5/5/5/5 Belt Hero: 120 atk (5/7 60%'s) Reverse 2H Sword/Axe DK: 122 atk (5/7 60%'s) Reverse Polearm/Spear III. Skills Used in Calculations Skills of Hero: Weapon Mastery: +50% Mastery Rage: +20 atk Advanced Combo: +100% dmg Maple Warrior: +15% all ap stats Enrage: +60% dmg to single enemy Brave Slash: 210% dmg to 3 enemies 3 times Skills of DK: Weapon Mastery: +50% Mastery Judgement Dragon: +30% Critical Chance, +15% Minimum Critical Range Dragon's Blood: +25 atk Dark Force: +60% dmg, +1 hit to Crusher Hex of the Beholder: +35 atk Maple Warrior: +15% all ap stats Beholder: +20% Mastery Crusher: 145% dmg to 3 enemies 4 times (+1 from Dark Force) IV. Damage Formulas Just FYI: MAX: Multiplier((Main Statx4)+Secondary Stat)(Atk/100) MIN: (Base Mastery+Skill Mastery)(MAX) Multipliers: 2H Axe/Sword = 1.32 Polearm/Spear= 1.49 Base Mastery: 20% Total Mastery for Hero: 70% DK: 90% Base Critical Rates: 5% Crital Chance, 20% v Critical, 50% ^ Critical Critical Multipliers: Hero: 0.05x0.2x0.5=0.0175 DK: 0.35x0.35x0.5=0.14875 V. Calculations *Intense Math Workout time* Hero: DK: Max: 1.32x((1,175x4)+55)x1.68 Max: 1.49x((1,175x4)+55)x2.1 1.32x4,755x1.68 1.49x4,755x2.1 2.2176x4755 3.129x4755 11,545 14,878 Min: (20%+50%)x11,545 Min: (20%+70%)x14,878 (70%)x11,545 (90%)x14,878 7,381 13,391 Range: 7,381-11,545 Range: 13,391-14,878 AVG: 9,463 AVG: 14,134 AVG with Critical: 9,463(1.0175) AVG with Critical: 14,134(1.14875) 9,629 16,237 VI. Pre-Conclusion AVG: Hero: 9,629 with all stats, mastery, rage, and MW DK: 16,237 with all stats, Judgement Dragon, Hex of Beholder, Mastery, Beholder's Mastery, and Dragon's Blood Hero: AVG with Advanced Combo: 19,258 AVG with Enrage (1 vs 1 only): 15,406 AVG with both Advanced Combo and Enrage: 25,035 AVG per atk skill on 1 monster (Brave Slash): 25035x2.1x3=157,720 AVG per atk skill on multiple monsters (Brave Slash, w/o enrage): 98,575 DK: AVG with Dark Force: 16238x1.6=25,979 AVG per atk skill on 1 or multiple monsters (Crusher): 25979x1.45x4=113,010 AVG per atk skill on 1 monster (Sacrifice): 25979x6.9=179,255 VII. Conclusion In the end, a DK is stronger than a Hero with the same equips and stats of each other. I just need some help b/c I don't know how to calculate weapon speeds into my calculations of %ages and stuff. Results: A DK's damage

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rigthouskill + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

not sure if i'm right but i'm pretty sure dragon blood and beholder's hex does not stack

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gameripper 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

put a PSB on dk and a lunch Box on a Hero for weapons

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baddenboy12 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

its obvious that heros are inferior to DrKs becuase of our super duper buffs. Along with the Beholder+Hex of the Beholder. Add a PSB and our DMP skyrockets

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warrior4fame 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

with PSB... drks are in the top 3 i dont think people will argue with that

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qwerty890 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Yeah but I have no idae howto calculate it

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rigthouskill 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] warrior4fame : with PSB... drks are in the top 3 i dont think people will argue with that [/quote] top 3 still goes to the range classes, crosairs, bowmasters and nls

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SasukeIIV + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] qwerty890 : Yeah but I have no idae howto calculate it [/quote] Certain speeds = certain number of hits. From that, you calculate DPM (damage per minute). I think that's pretty much the only way you can add in speeds. And for titles (instead of putting annoying ///////////////////s) use [ header ] [ /header ] <-- remove spaces.

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SeCuReGaMeR 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If you didn't calculate speed then obvious DK will seem stronger. I've played both a Hero and DK before, and Brandish is way faster than Crusher. Of course, this may change now that Hero's have a new skill.

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Andwoos 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Where did you even get the "Brave Slash" skill for a Hero from? I thought it should be Brandish... =T

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masamunee 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Andwoos : Where did you even get the "Brave Slash" skill for a Hero from? I thought it should be Brandish... =T [/quote] I take it you haven't seen anything related to Big Bang. Brandish becomes a third job skill, and Brave Slash becomes the new 4th job skill.

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Andwoos + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] masamunee : I take it you haven't seen anything related to Big Bang. Brandish becomes a third job skill, and Brave Slash becomes the new 4th job skill. [/quote] I take it that you're assuming things. We already knew about the skills after Big Bang, derp.

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SasukeIIV + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] SeCuReGaMeR : If you didn't calculate speed then obvious DK will seem stronger. I've played both a Hero and DK before, and Brandish is way faster than Crusher. Of course, this may change now that Hero's have a new skill. [/quote] Way faster? That's because the majority of Spears are POS slow speed spears. If you have a PSB or Sky Ski you'd see the increase. @ above: There's no if. We ARE getting. And soon. 1-2 months from now. And he wasn't talking about damage formulas, all he was saying is that Brave Slash will be the new skill for Heros.

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ilikepiez5 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Uh change the overall to a str overall. Dex = useless. @above. Ugh 1 or 2 months. IT JUST ENDED in KMS you guys aren't get it till probably December.

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Andwoos 08/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] SasukeIIV : @ above: There's no if. We ARE getting. And soon. 1-2 months from now. And he wasn't talking about damage formulas, all he was saying is that Brave Slash will be the new skill for Heros. [/quote] Uh... where's the proof that we are getting it in 1-2 months from now? After all, Maplers couldn't accurately predict when we would get DBs... =T Plus, the thread is about who does the most damage after Big Bang, which would incorporate whatever new damage formulas that come with Big Bang.

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