p/c Bain Biter (balrog dexless claw)

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thread starter JellyWorld Aug 06 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

can i get a p/c on my bain biter please. stats are the following: 33att 4luk clean + potential stats: +3 weapon att, 10% level 3 poison 12 accuracy thank you Forgot to mention these stats also came with the claw -Has a 5% chance to add 120 additional damage for 30 seconds. -Has a 10% chance to create a stun effect for 5 seconds. =]

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[quote] Lothaire : Just to clear up any misunderstandings. 1. I said that only collectors would buy it 2. I said it's not THAT good and I would never want to 50% like some were suggesting 3. It's not as good or not much better than a dayo, since it's trading some atk for lower speed. (Haven't don't calc or anything) 4. No where did I say the claw sucked or no one should buy. [/quote] Then keep your opinions to yourself. It's her item, not yours, so if she wants to scroll she can. YOU might not want to 50% it, it doesn't mean TS or a buyer wouldn't. It's far better than scrolling it with 60%'s if someone made up their mind to scroll it, for USE and not show. @ Gemini, you can get an Astaroth claw for like 80m.. Why would you be offering 700m for it? O_O @ JvIaple, not everyone just collects them.. I'm seen Biter-using Sins before.. and I forget who said it's worht 700 - 800m MAX, but I've seen a crap Biter sell for 850m. That was a LONG time before potentials were out.. Considering her potentials actually are okay, it can be worth more. And add in the rarity factor.

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[quote] cLearLybaD : Then keep your opinions to yourself. It's her item, not yours, so if she wants to scroll she can. YOU might not want to 50% it, it doesn't mean TS or a buyer wouldn't. It's far better than scrolling it with 60%'s if someone made up their mind to scroll it, for USE and not show. @ Gemini, you can get an Astaroth claw for like 80m.. Why would you be offering 700m for it? O_O @ JvIaple, not everyone just collects them.. I'm seen Biter-using Sins before.. and I forget who said it's worht 700 - 800m MAX, but I've seen a crap Biter sell for 850m. That was a LONG time before potentials were out.. Considering her potentials actually are okay, it can be worth more. And add in the rarity factor. [/quote] And I'm saying, for those Biter Users, what benefit do they have for using it instead of a Skanda? None. Clearly they have other reasons to keep it; because they are collecting it. I have a Maple Bandana Red and I'm using it, but when I actually play, I swap it for a practical Helmet. Anyone who persists on using the Claw is doing it because of the collectable factor, not because it's a good claw to use. If they did scroll one well enough, they could sell it to a collector and buy a much better Skanda; you can't deny that this fact is true. So keeping it only makes sense if you want to collect it. However, by scrolling it, you lose out on the big market where most collectors like their items clean. It's sort of like how collectors prefer their items "Mint". Therefore, don't bother scrolling it. You risk losing out lots of value if it's scrolled poorly, and if you scroll it well, you're just attracting people who want to use it for practical use. But if they want a claw for practical use, they will not be willing to dish so much when they have the option of a Skanda, so the Skanda will act as an anchor to their willingness-to-pay.

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[quote] Lothaire : 1She was asking if she should scroll, I only gave her my advice... 2 Obviously Gemini was just trolling... [/quote] Actually, if you can read correctly, the main point of this thread was for a P/C, hence the title of the thread. Also, you can take into thought that Gemini just doesn't know the price of an Astaroth? Or he was willing to pay a lot for a rare item.. Not many people have Astaroth Claws either. You can't just assume someone's a troll. EDIT: @ Jvlaple, why can't someone use a Bain Biter just for the hell of it? I know most people wear collectibles for the sole purpose of looks, but that doesn't mean people can't use collectibles to train also. It's just their own opinion. I mean, a lot of people can think that a Biter looks better than a Skanda, although the speed of a Skanda is higher than a Biter, people can choose what to use. Simply because an item is better doesn't mean people WILL use it, know what I'm saying? Some people are weird and like to use Bain weapons even thought there are faster Maple weapons with virtually the same stats. EDIT2: Another thought. Say someone got the Biter from BPQ, like the TS did. Right? And they wanted to keep it. But, they wanted a Skanda to use, BECAUSE of the faster speed. Yet they didn't have money to buy one, and they didn't want to sell ANY of the equips. So someone would have to use the Biter they had, am I correct? ALSO TS, listen to DayoWong, he's like the best merchant & P/C'er you can ever find. f3

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It's like at least 800~1b. It's the rarity of it that makes it go up. It also has good stats and 8 slots. Gemini Why the hell would you buy an astaroth claw for 700m or whatever you offered? iPromiseYou You forgot something, people buy items to look "cool", which is why they buy NX or whatever. This claw comes with an added effect, barely anyone has it. While equipping it, you'll look unique or whatever. People will buy it for that factor.

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xPinjaSammi 08/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Guys... Its a Balrog weapon... You need to use Balrog scrolls sold by the Merchant from coming down the stairs. Sorry For teh bummer. Its worth an average of - 150-200mil? In Mardia maybe even 300mil.

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[quote] cLearLybaD : Actually, if you can read correctly, the main point of this thread was for a P/C, hence the title of the thread. Also, you can take into thought that Gemini just doesn't know the price of an Astaroth? Or he was willing to pay a lot for a rare item.. Not many people have Astaroth Claws either. You can't just assume someone's a troll. [/quote] 1. 50% Scrolls were brought up, thus I gave my opinion. 2. If you no Gemini you would no.

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JellyWorld 08/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

bleh bleh bleh im sick of this. lets jst stop it here. roflmao and people who uses biter is cause it adds 120/130 dmg at a % rate for a short period. maybe thats why it 'might' cause more than a skanda other than that. thanks for everything everyone ill remember next time not to create a threat. zzz

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tijgertje8 08/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I saw that claw, ss'ed it and it got accepted here on Basil.

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@ xPinjaSammi, oh yeah.. Only scrollable with Rog Scrolls. But anyways, it's worth more than 150 - 200m due to rarity >.> Dayo even stated it. @ Lothaire, about Gemini part. Not necessarily.. People can be trolling sometimes, but they can also be serious sometimes. Right now, you could think that I'm just a jerk that's trying to prove his point (which you probably do), but if you knew me in-game, you could also think I'm nothing like that. Anyways, I'm going out now. I'll be back to discuss this tonight if the thread hasn't died out. EDIT: Sorry TS, but if you make a thread, you have to welcome discussion. Don't let that stop you from asking Basil questions.

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[quote] cLearLybaD : @ Jvlaple, why can't someone use a Bain Biter just for the hell of it? I know most people wear collectibles for the sole purpose of looks, but that doesn't mean people can't use collectibles to train also. It's just their own opinion. I mean, a lot of people can think that a Biter looks better than a Skanda, although the speed of a Skanda is higher than a Biter, people can choose what to use. Simply because an item is better doesn't mean people WILL use it, know what I'm saying? Some people are weird and like to use Bain weapons even thought there are faster Maple weapons with virtually the same stats. EDIT2: Another thought. Say someone got the Biter from BPQ, like the TS did. Right? And they wanted to keep it. But, they wanted a Skanda to use, BECAUSE of the faster speed. Yet they didn't have money to buy one, and they didn't want to sell ANY of the equips. So someone would have to use the Biter they had, am I correct? ALSO TS, listen to DayoWong, he's like the best merchant & P/C'er you can ever find. f3 [/quote] By saying that, it is clear that it's not for the practical use, but rather the "looks", the "uniqueness", the "rarity", all tied into the collect-ability of the item. In a rational point of view, if you wanted raw power, a Skanda is much more practical. In no way have I denied the value of this item created by scarcity and demand. I stand firm that isn't rational to pay that price for it, but I am giving a suggestion to not scroll it. It's not worth the risk and you lose so much of the market for users who want to collect it for looks. Do you know what I'm saying? In no way have I denied the value of this, but rather presented you with reasons why selling it clean is better than scrolling it. In your example of that Biter user, the logical thing to do is to sell it and buy a much better Skanda. No one is denying people are willing to pay a lot for this, and if you found it and had no claw to use and could sell it for 800m, it's much more practical to sell it and just buy a 55-60 ATK Skanda (don't know the price at the moment, they're dropping hella fast). DayoWong Once again, in no way have I denied the rarity, uniqueness and collect-ability of the item. Read what I just responded to ClearlyBad. All I've done is present logic why keeping it clean is better than trying to scroll it, as others have suggested. Also, in a rational viewpoint, this item isn't worth it. But that's not going to change the fact that it will be overvalued of practical price. I am not denying this. Just look at diamonds in real life. JellyWorld Are you serious? This whole discussion is all to help you understand what to do in your situation better. It's a positive thing to accept viewpoints and what people have to say. If you are going to be that close-minded, then you're not going to make the best decision you possibly can.

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chenzhong 08/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

More then max mesos

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jelcroo 08/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] TrulySorry : It's like at least 800~1b. It's the rarity of it that makes it go up. It also has good stats and 8 slots. Gemini Why the hell would you buy an astaroth claw for 700m or whatever you offered? iPromiseYou You forgot something, people buy items to look "cool", which is why they buy NX or whatever. This claw comes with an added effect, barely anyone has it. While equipping it, you'll look unique or whatever. People will buy it for that factor. [/quote] because a 33 att clean astaroth claw is GODLYY because it just doesnt exist? that would be 15 att above avarage :P almost twice as much att as avarage

BlizzardSwarm 08/06/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

When it says 5% chance of 120 damage is that 120 damage or 120 attack?

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Thiefpunk + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

how do u get that in the first place?

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