Help with Marksman build

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thread starter xKhashi Jul 31 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So I'm soon gonna hit 120, and was wondering if you guys can rate my build. 120: 1 fp, 1 snipe, 1 Dragon breath 121~123: 3SE (SE9) 124~131: 3 Pierce (Pierce21) 132~136 3 MMB (MMB15) 137~138 1MMB, 2 Pierce (MMB16) (Pierce23) 139~140 3 Pierce (29) 141~142 1 Pierce (30), 2 Either MMB/Snipe/SE So from there, I was thinking of either getting MMB or Snipe or SE to max. So i'm asking you guys which would be better to max from there? And also, Should I get MMB16 first or Pierce 21 first.

My Characters: SirKhashi - 106 Windia Sniper

LaNinja 07/31/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

16 MMB first. Pierce is somewhat dependent on weapon attack and mastery. I also think that you put some more points in SE, since it's such a multi-benefit :x.

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ChibiCross 08/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] LaNinja : 16 MMB first. Pierce is somewhat dependent on weapon attack and mastery. I also think that you put some more points in SE, since it's such a multi-benefit :x. [/quote] To be honest, you can still train with pierce without MMB, it's just harder. Getting 16 MMB benefits less in training overall, then having 16 points in pierce first. But it's great to add more MMB once you get at least 21. The build looks nice so far, and personally I would get snipe after finishing pierce. That's up to you, if you want to get some more sharp eyes, and get it up to around 19, that's fine. More MMB is also fine, but you're probably going to want to RGS later on, since it's the best exp once you can kill it at a decent rate. This is the "ideal" training build, and what you get afterwords is hard for someone besides yourself to choose. Getting pierce before MMB helps your training a lot more.

My Characters: HunterChibi - 143 Scania Marksman

LaNinja 08/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ChibiCross : To be honest, you can still train with pierce without MMB, it's just harder. Getting 16 MMB benefits less in training overall, then having 16 points in pierce first. But it's great to add more MMB once you get at least 21. The build looks nice so far, and personally I would get snipe after finishing pierce. That's up to you, if you want to get some more sharp eyes, and get it up to around 19, that's fine. More MMB is also fine, but you're probably going to want to RGS later on, since it's the best exp once you can kill it at a decent rate. This is the "ideal" training build, and what you get afterwords is hard for someone besides yourself to choose. Getting pierce before MMB helps your training a lot more. [/quote] I disagree. Mastery can provide the difference between 1h koing or 2h Koing or 3hkoing, and I'm pretty sure that how long it takes you to kill something can change your %/hr. Not to mention MMB stabilizes my damage at bosses also. Yes, you can still train with pierce without MMB, but you don't want your pierce having larger number gaps.

My Characters: iBabiiBrawl - 143 Windia Buccaneer

ChibiCross 08/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The point is, getting 16 MMB before pierce, instead of the other way around, benefits training a lot less. Pierce is going to be crazy unstable, and getting more MMB asap is recommended, it's just (this coming from the guy who went 16 MMB before 21 pierce), training with just plain strafe and MMB is just plain bad. Honestly, despite the troubles you have with pierce, it's going to be better then plain strafe and stuff. Especially now that regrets are freezable, you can train at regrets 4, if you don't want to deal with lilynouche, and pierce works wonders. If you think I was suggesting for the TS to go something like pierce>snipe, then I understand lol. It's just doing pierce before adding MMB, speeds up those levels just a bit faster.

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athos28 08/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DO NOT get 16 MMB before pierce, that's just stupid. It's not going to do anything except increase strafe's damage by 3-5k, not worth it. Get SE 9 then 21 pierce then 16 MMB then here is where the actual build comes to place. I actually maxed SE after MMB, it changed pierce's damage. Getting pierce to max will even make it better, however my pierce stayed at 21, cuz im on a rush to max snipe. Snipe seems useless for training to me. I mean you are pretty much going to newt/skele until lvl 150. Snipe has no use. You can boss with maxed SE, because people want you. I always said you provide the SE, people do the job, boss is dead, everyone is happy. Instead of maxing pierce I maxed SE and left pierce at 21.

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xKhashi 08/01/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] athos28 : DO NOT get 16 MMB before pierce, that's just stupid. It's not going to do anything except increase strafe's damage by 3-5k, not worth it. Get SE 9 then 21 pierce then 16 MMB then here is where the actual build comes to place. I actually maxed SE after MMB, it changed pierce's damage. Getting pierce to max will even make it better, however my pierce stayed at 21, cuz im on a rush to max snipe. Snipe seems useless for training to me. I mean you are pretty much going to newt/skele until lvl 150. Snipe has no use. You can boss with maxed SE, because people want you. I always said you provide the SE, people do the job, boss is dead, everyone is happy. Instead of maxing pierce I maxed SE and left pierce at 21. [/quote] Hmmm I see, thanks. I guess I should go 21 Pierce>16 MMB>Get SE to at least 19>Max snipe

My Characters: SirKhashi - 106 Windia Sniper

ChibiCross 08/02/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Snipe benefits your bossing more then sharp eyes does, and notice how I said "your bossing" :o Snipe also isn't completely useless in training, it's just not necessary. A lot of higher level marksman training videos show snipe a lot, since it's really useful in huge maps like time temple where there are a lot of stragglers. Also, RGS is faster then anything at around mid 14x, especially with max snipe. You also gain a lot more exp when you get into occasional boss runs, since you deal a LOT more damage with max snipe versus more sharp eyes. It comes down to personal preference, but I did fine, and zoomed through 14x-15x through RGS and didn't add more sharp eyes until I maxed out snipe.

My Characters: HunterChibi - 143 Scania Marksman