NL no longer valuable at bosses anymore?

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thread starter serulin Jul 29 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I just checked the "new?" dps chart according to the kmst big bang thread on basil and saw that nl's are now #7 with all buffs. Does that mean they are no longer the most wanted at bossing anymore? Before it could be argued with their high evade and se + longer apple that they were still more valuable, but is that all going to change? Even a melee class, shadower, does more dps than nl's now? (Is that chart correct?) [quote] jboi321 : o really? where do you get this piece of junk info that NL is #7? [/quote] Official basil big bang thread: http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/1554787/1/The_quotBig_Bangquot__KMST_Revamp.html# I love it when people get all defensive whenever their class gets challenged. I don't hate NL's (i have one myself), nor am i putting them down in anyway. No matter how "balanced" the system is, there is bound to be someone who does more dpm, thats just the truth of it, and you know it. Bishops are just not going to do the same damage as NL. Yet the statement "All classes are equal", are brought up by optimistic maplers all the time." Sure they are equal--subjectively, it can be said they have tons of other skills that can "make up" for damage since damage is just one factor in what makes a class useful. Yes I know most runs are on connections anyways. But I wanted to see what team combo will kill bosses the fastest (whether for curiosity, actual testing, or whatever) B4 or even now people say combination in a single party of 5 nl's and a BM = fastest.

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xdog + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I doubt that's correct. Besides, even if another class does a little bit more damage, we're still better because our apples last 5 minutes longer.

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sbdsxdx 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Shadower is behind nl still on dpm.

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jmankhan 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

dont follow it cuz were also getting a new dmg formula so everything is outa whack well just have to wait and see =)

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InlineSkates 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

It really doesn't matter, they will still be significant no matter how their damage ranges change.

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AetherLord 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

No, the chart is horribly wrong.

Russisch 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

We know the formulas, jmankhan. What we DON'T know is how criticals work, for sure. NLs > Shads against a single target. But, shadowers have much better survivability, provide good DPM, and smoke pellet. NLs provide throwing stars, and that's about it. :|

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romperz 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

what they are forgetting in that little chart is that sairs battleship is no longer pot smart as in u get out to avoid blowing it up bye bye apple =P so maybe they're #6 lol

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disbesammy 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

DONT FORGET ABOUT DEXLESS NLs!

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Zim5 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

so who is #1 on ur lil chart?

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brandoncbr + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

After big bang you can roll your face on the keyboard and still do good damage

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xdog 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Russisch : We know the formulas, jmankhan. What we DON'T know is how criticals work, for sure. NLs > Shads against a single target. But, shadowers have much better survivability, provide good DPM, and smoke pellet. NLs provide throwing stars, and that's about it. :| [/quote] NL's and shads will have the same 45% avoid rate with shadow shifter after big bang, and alchemist > smoke pellet.

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lemonbuster 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] xdog : alchemist > smoke pellet. [/quote] Any reasoning for this claim? Or are you really that offended when somebody says something about Nl's. I'd say that in high level bossing parties, everybody can afford their own apples and the extension alchemy gives does nothing to the success of the party. Smoke provides protection for the party and prevents people from getting KB'ed and having to reposition themselves which would decrease their overall dpm. Glad you like to save mesos with your alchemy though.

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Sterike 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

they will always be needed cause of their 15 minute apples

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ConfusedSoul 07/29/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] romperz : what they are forgetting in that little chart is that sairs battleship is no longer pot smart as in u get out to avoid blowing it up bye bye apple =P so maybe they're #6 lol [/quote] Actually, it is potion smart.

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