Cruel or Critical Ring for Dits

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thread starter Johasua Jul 19 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hi, (sorry if this has already been posted) I just saw that the rings had been nerfed so that just the crit percentages remained on the Cruel and Crit rings. So I'm wondering which ring would be better for a Dit?

My Characters: Johasua - 52 Broa Bandit

d1m3n510nx 07/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Cruel ring unless you have SE buff.

My Characters: lDimMaK - 123 Broa Shadower

Johasua 07/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If I have SE buff will crit ring be significantly better or just slightly?

My Characters: Johasua - 52 Broa Bandit

Phonti 07/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I got crit because I like seeing red numbers. Also, despite the fact that I have no real mathematical proof to back it up, crit is better for bandits because they hit multipe times in quick succession. I'd rather have 10% chance of crit x6 than a 5% chance, even if it does 10% more damage.

My Characters: KineticStab - 69 Galicia Bandit

LightSpeed 07/19/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lol, I don't have the sources, but I think it's on Spadow's blog. Cruel rings get their "critical" removed, and critical rings still have their critical. Also, classes in the future get %passive critical. So in the long run would you want more criticals or just ONE extra attack. Think again. :P. As of now cruel > crit, but after big bang patch, crit > cruel.

My Characters: MewMewkitty - 145 Scania Shadower

NigFish 07/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

i think that Crit beats cruel. b/c of the fact of 10% critical. i mean. you can't get critical from any other equip sooo.. yea and plus the 1HKO is awesome. even tho its 1% it actually happens frequently.

My Characters: NigFish - 86 Bera Chief Bandit

shanlan + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

1) Without SE, the crit bonus is the same, so Cruel Ring is stronger by 1 WATK under most circumstances 2) Without SE, Assassinate's 4th hit is slightly stronger with Cruel Ring, so Cruel Ring can be stronger by more than 1 WATK • 770*0.95+600*0.05 = 761.5% > 760% 3) With SE, Critical Ring privies more crit bonus • 150%*0.25 = 37.5%; 160%*0.2 = 32%; 37.5% > 32% 4) With SE, even though Assassinate's 4th hit is stronger with Cruel Ring, the whole Assassinate+BStep combo is stronger with Critical Ring. • 750+140+20 > =750+140+10 • (1800+1075+900)*(1000/(240+690+1380+390)) > (1800+1064+910)*(1000/(240+690+1380+390)); 1398.148% > 1397.778% To summarize... for now, Critical Ring is better with SE, Cruel Ring is better without SE. However, Critical Ring might be better even without SE after Big Bang patch due to removal of +critical damage on both rings. (2 WATK & 10% chance to crit > 3 WATK & 5% chance to crit) My suggestion? Get both.

NeoNoSee 07/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] shanlan : 1) Without SE, the crit bonus is the same, so Cruel Ring is stronger by 1 WATK under most circumstances 2) Without SE, Assassinate's 4th hit is slightly stronger with Cruel Ring, so Cruel Ring can be stronger by more than 1 WATK • 770*0.95+600*0.05 = 761.5% > 760% 3) With SE, Critical Ring privies more crit bonus • 150%*0.25 = 37.5%; 160%*0.2 = 32%; 37.5% > 32% 4) With SE, even though Assassinate's 4th hit is stronger with Cruel Ring, the whole Assassinate+BStep combo is stronger with Critical Ring. • 750+140+20 > =750+140+10 • (1800+1075+900)*(1000/(240+690+1380+390)) > (1800+1064+910)*(1000/(240+690+1380+390)); 1398.148% > 1397.778% To summarize... for now, Critical Ring is better with SE, Cruel Ring is better without SE. However, Critical Ring might be better even without SE after Big Bang patch due to removal of +critical damage on both rings. (2 WATK & 10% chance to crit > 3 WATK & 5% chance to crit) My suggestion? Get both. [/quote] I got both. Lol

My Characters: MeNoSee - 131 Bera Shadower

Johasua 07/20/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Ok I guess I'll be getting the Crit ring for the BB patch. Thanks to all.

My Characters: Johasua - 52 Broa Bandit