Shads deserve SP and FJ.

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thread starter Verdeiwsp Jul 14 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I know I will get flamed on, but listen to me. I'm a hermit, soon to be NL, and at first, I was mad that Shads get FJ and SP because its a class unique skill. However, I then saw the other skills that they get after the Big Bang Patch, and I'm actually happy. Instead of giving Shads new skills, they are given 2 old refined skills, and a new skill which only increases money rate, something like that. I'm also happy that I realized that NL's damage will be increased by an approximate by a whopping 134%. Thats like double our damage. While Shads get SP and FJ, we get HP increase, damage reflect, and a skill that boosts throwing stars and certain skills.

thinkfast7 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

thats.. awesome? you do realize that all they're doing is upgrading shadowers already amazing skills.

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aregon360 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I agree with thinkfast7, Shadowers are getting more buffed on top of their recent buffs. After the BigBang Revamp, it is rumored Shadowers will be outputting about the same DPM as a NL.

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Shyba 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

man none can see, but we are getting SP because poison... Thats why our damage isnt just boosted... with 2x more hits it double the poisoning chance, and poison we be great to level, I saw on vids... ^^ Also, assaulter will do 6 hits right? its awsome too ^^

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Verdeiwsp 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] thinkfast7 : thats.. awesome? you do realize that all they're doing is upgrading shadowers already amazing skills. [/quote] After the revamp, NLs gets their damage boosted by 134% damage. You guys get stuck with old refined skills, while we get higher hp, and we're not even a melee class.

BreakYourHeart 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Verdeiwsp : After the revamp, NLs gets their damage boosted by 134% damage. You guys get stuck with old refined skills, while we get higher hp, and we're not even a melee class. [/quote] Take your trolling damage obsession back to the NL sub-forum. There's a saying: "If you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say it". This applies to you. By the way, we also get a new skill called "Greed". Sit on that.

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aregon360 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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Ideka + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So you don't care we get two of your skills because you are getting better things? Sounds like you were jealous we were getting better.

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Biotype 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Hey, guess what? Shadowers get Shadow Resistance (the HP increase skill) and Dark Flare (the damage reflect skill) as well.

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akablackthug 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

but NL's cant taunt (not efficiently) so bad training

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StRiKiNgAzN 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Im cool with sharing SP and FJ we might get some competition though.

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Verdeiwsp 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Biotype : Hey, guess what? Shadowers get Shadow Resistance (the HP increase skill) and Dark Flare (the damage reflect skill) as well. [/quote] No actually, thats us. Shads get Greed, FJ, and SP.

Biotype 07/14/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Verdeiwsp : No actually, thats us. Shads get Greed, FJ, and SP. [/quote] And Shadow Resist and Dark Flare. Do I have to go get proof or can you do that yourself?

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orangeking11 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] BreakYourHeart : Take your trolling damage obsession back to the NL sub-forum. There's a saying: "If you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say it". This applies to you. By the way, we also get a new skill called "Greed". Sit on that. [/quote] We kill trolls faster than we throw Stars. If he wants to troll he can take it to the main Thief forum. xD And @ whoever said "we will be able to output the same DPM as NLs": Calcs please. Until we have solid numbers to work off of, it's all assumptions. xD Edit: @ TS: The only new "unique" skill we get is Experienced Star-Handling (Love this skill). But any asshat who thinks "we have more skills so we better" is yeah, just an asshat. But any asshat that thinks "lul our skillz r better than urs" is just as much of an asshat. Just enjoy what you get and don't be stupid thinking you're better than other classes. I love the new Avenger, it means we'll be a lot closer in mobbing potential than we are now in 4th job. And I currently train slower, but I use less HP pots than a lot of Shads at Skeles thanks to Drain (honestly, Skeles buff so slow, and if they manage to, they cannot hit for beans and if you can stun 'em with Storm, why not?). 50ish HP pots per hour solo. About 20 with a DrK in party. Shadow Flare (shared skill as said) will help reduce that as well as the boost to Drain from the boost in Mastery, boost in base % from both the Big Bang's boosting of it combined with Experienced Star-Handling. Now we can keep up in mobbing and use even fewer pots. I love that. xD I do kinda find it funny though. Pretty much every class gets a really defining skill in 4th job - NLs get Experienced Star-Handling, Heroes get Combat Mastery, BMs/MMs get Marksmenship, etc., that says "Hey, we're the best at what we do!" and Shadowers get Greed. xD

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lostguy 07/15/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Biotype : And Shadow Resist and Dark Flare. Do I have to go get proof or can you do that yourself? [/quote] yeah, we lose endure for shadow resistance

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