Math showing that Arans won't be nerfed

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thread starter ISellBerries Jul 07 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Are Arans getting nerfed? In some ways, yes. In some ways, No. With the upcoming KMST Big-Bang/Revamp Arans will have their finishers nerfed. However, their common attacks/buffs(Over Swing, Final Blow, Full swing, and Snow charge) are getting buffed. "lol nub where your proof?" Right here The math If you don't like looking at a bunch of numbers and words, just skip to the end of the guide. Before the Revamp This is with maxed Over Swing and Final Blow First Attack:100%(1 Hit) Second attack:340%(2 Hits) Third attack:480%(2 Hits) Final Blow:700%(1 Hit) Total:1620% With maxed Over Swing, Snow charge, and Final Blow First attack:110% (1 Hit) Second attack:374% (2 hits) Third attack:528% (2 hits) Final Blow:770% (1 Hit) Total:1782% After the Revamp With maxed Over Swing and Final Blow First attack:100% (1 Hit) Second attack:430% (2 Hits) Third attack:530% (2 Hits) Final Blow:700% (1 Hit) Total:1760% With maxed Over Swing, Snow Charge, and Final Blow First attack:145% (1 Hit) Second Attack:623.5% (2 Hits) Third Attack:768.5% (2 Hits) Final Blow:1015% (1 Hit) Total:2552% For every Set of attacks(First attack,Second Attack,Third Attack,Final Blow) You'd hit 6 hits. So the Damage for finishers would be as follows: ~Before Patch~ 5 Sets of attacks to be able to use Combo Smash With maxed Over Swing, Final Blow, and Combo Smash (1620)*5+700=8800% So by the time you use Combo Smash you deal 8800% With maxed Over Swing, Snow Charge, Final Blow, and Combo Smash (1782)*5+770=9680% 17 Sets of attacks to be able to use Combo Penril With maxed Over Swing, Final Blow, and Combo Penril (1620)*17+1600=29140% So by the time you use Combo Penril you deal 29140% With maxed Over Swing, Snow Charge, Final Blow, and Combo Penril (1782)*17+1760=32054% 34 Sets of attacks to be able to use Combo Tempest With maxed Over Swing, Final Blow, and Combo Tempest (1620)*34+6000=61080% So by the time you use Combo Tempest you deal 61080% With maxed Over Swing, Snow Charge, Final Blow, and Combo Tempest (1782%)*34+6600=67188% ~After Patch~ 5 Sets of attacks to be able to use Combo Smash With maxed Over Swing, Final Blow, and Combo Smash (1760)*5+600=9400% So by the time you use Combo Smash you hit 9400% With maxed Over Swing, Snow Charge, Final Blow, and Combo Smash (2552)*5+870=13630% 17 Sets of attacks to be able to use Combo Penril With maxed Over Swing, Final Blow, and Combo Penril (1760)*17+1300=31220% so by the time you use Combo Penril you hit31220% With maxed Over Swing, Snow Charge, Final Blow, and Combo Penril (2552)*17+1885=45269% 34 Sets of attacks to be able to use Combo Tempest With maxed Over Swing, Final Blow, and Combo Tempest (1760)*34+2400=62240% So by the time you use Combo Tempest you hit 62240% With maxed Over Swing, Snow Charge, Final Blow, and Combo Tempest (2552)*34+3480=90248% Overview The damage being dealt over the time required to reach the combo necessary to use the finishers(Combo Smash/Penril/Tempest) Will make up for the Damage dealt by the finishers th

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4thJobSeries1 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You're missing the most important downgrade. Less Critical Damage. W/ less critical, a better overswing won't make up for it.

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Lasten 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ISellBerries : Thank you, kind sir. :P Well I'm pretty sure that the critical system is being switched around a bit. So I have yet to find a way to calculate it. However, I heard that Arans are 2nd best damage in the game. But you know how it goes, it's all about funding. Crit right now goes like this: 10% base crit+6%/10 combo=70% Crit after will go like this:20% base crit+3%/10 combo=50% But with the new addition to High Mastery, Crit's min Damage will go up. so it'll be 70% chance for 210% damage or 50% chance for 230% damage. Then it opens up the whole debate about Crit equips.... and it's something I'd rather not get involved with lol. While the damage will be dropping a bit I believe it will be improving overall. [/quote] Wrong, wrong, wrong. Base critical min is 20%. Polearm Expert raises that by 20%. Leaving us with 55% clean change to deal a grand total of 40-50% additive damage.

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ISellBerries + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

There is no skill called Polearm Expert. If you mean High Mastery, then the damage goes up, not the chance Where are you getting the extra five% from? Malchaer? 20%base+30% from Combo crit+Cruel Ring? please explain. And the critical damage is staying the same. It deals 100% base. 10% extra with maxed crit. With maxed high mastery it would be 230% [quote] 4thJobSeries1 : You're missing the most important downgrade. Less Critical Damage. W/ less critical, a better overswing won't make up for it. [/quote] The damage doesn't drop. The % chance does.

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Lasten + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ISellBerries : There is no skill called Polearm Expert. If you mean High Mastery, then the damage goes up, not the chance Where are you getting the extra five% from? Malchaer? 20%base+30% from Combo crit+Cruel Ring? please explain. And the critical damage is staying the same. It deals 100% base. 10% extra with maxed crit. With maxed high mastery it would be 230% The damage doesn't drop. The % chance does. [/quote] Wrong again, sir. The extra '5%' is the base critical change that every single class including beginners have a mininum of, which only goes to show how uneducated you are in this regard, Mr 2nd Jobber. Refer back to my thread and watch the video of the KMST Aran. I'll have you know that Critical Damage is literally half of our damage, or 1000% of 1960%. On our last Swing, we'd be doing 240+200 + 240+200 correct? This is hardly the case in the video, as you can clearly see him doing less than 20% extra damage when his criticals trigger there, which in reality is only an average of +45% (40-50) on top of 265%. *Polearm Expert is the direct translation of the KMS High Mastery, and I'm used to refering to that in my home-forum. *Excuse me, in the video the Aran isn't reaching high combos, due to his bad utilisation of the map and character. However, rest assured that no where in the code is it stated that damage increases with the Combo nor has the skill affected the damage at all, only the Critical chance is affected.

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ISellBerries 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So every class is getting 5%? When did I say I was educated in this whole thread? I'm a third Jobber. I haven't updated my char yet. Go look at the rankings if you don't believe me lol. I could just as easily say that you are uneducated because you are a "1st Jobber" By last swing do you mean Final Blow, or Over Swing? If you mean Over Swing then the damage dealt would be (240*2.3)*2, as critical multiplies damage, it doesn't add on to it. Unless they changed that, too. Just because his crits don't match up to the damage that he SHOULD be doing doesn't mean that it's true. He could be hitting less base damage on crits and more base damage on a regular attack.

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Lasten 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ISellBerries : So every class is getting 5%? When did I say I was educated in this whole thread? I'm a third Jobber. I haven't updated my char yet. Go look at the rankings if you don't believe me lol. I could just as easily say that you are uneducated because you are a "1st Jobber" By last swing do you mean Final Blow, or Over Swing? If you mean Over Swing then the damage dealt would be (240*2.3)*2, as critical multiplies damage, it doesn't add on to it. Unless they changed that, too. Just because his crits don't match up to the damage that he SHOULD be doing doesn't mean that it's true. He could be hitting less base damage on crits and more base damage on a regular attack. [/quote] Critical was always an additive, and it will be an additive. I feel so tempted to join the facepalm wagon.

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ISellBerries 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Oh really? Link me, please, kind sir.

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Lasten + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] ISellBerries : Oh really? Link me, please, kind sir. [/quote] Not to worry, I did quite the contrary. I suggest you lock this thread to save yourself any further humiliation.

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ISellBerries 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

How, exactly, do you do the contrary of linking me?

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FILIPINOako1 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Lol I was just about to delete my Aran and hen I red this lol Ty for info

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ISellBerries + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

No problem. :] But according to Lasten... ehh I just don't know anymore. This thread wasn't supposed to be about criticals. It was supposed to be about the new buffed skills outweighing finishers. So, Critcal is additive damage. Assuming that Combo Critical doesn't add crit damage, as you stated before, then the damage would be around a 120% additive with High Mastery/Polearm Expert? It would be at a 50% chance. Where are you getting a 45% additive from? o-o 100% base damage+20% from High mastery.

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[quote] ISellBerries : No problem. :] But according to Lasten... ehh I just don't know anymore. This thread wasn't supposed to be about criticals. It was supposed to be about the new buffed skills outweighing finishers. So, Critcal is additive damage. Assuming that Combo Critical doesn't add crit damage, as you stated before, then the damage would be around a 120% additive with High Mastery/Polearm Expert? It would be at a 50% chance. Where are you getting a 45% additive from? o-o 100% base damage+20% from High mastery. [/quote] I guess most people wouldn't know this unless they've done a bit of research, but max critical damage is 50%, and skills add to the 'mininum'. Therefore, it's impossible to go above +50% damage unless you have a plethora of buffs going above the max critical damage (i.e Sharp Eyes), in which case it is assumed that the max critical damage is also increased. The +45% is from the average of 40(min) to 50(max), which is the case for Arans.

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ISellBerries 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

*Sigh* I just looked it up lol. I understand now, kinda. I hadn't originally read the info about crit because this was supposed to be about finishers. Oh well. So now crit is a (semi) random damage % in between 20~50% without buffs. With High Mastery/Polearm Expert it would be 40~50% The crit rate would be 5% base. 20% from Combo Crit Base. 30% from Combo Crit. So the end result is 45% avg damage at a 55% chance? Argh. Sleep deprivation is takin overrrr. Can't. Think. Anymore.

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slava12 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Wow Thank u For information now i will 100% won't Quit my aran oh well i won't quit until 140~150 THANK U MAN I LOVE U

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kirkle 07/07/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lmao its all arans that r posting:D

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