X-less vs. Good scrolling (revamp patch)

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thread starter IsoSTARDUST Jul 04 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Sorry if this is the wrong area to start this. Something I've never quite understood is the idea of an x-less character. DEXless, STRless, LUKless, it all just seems useless to me. Let me explain why. Now, I'm not a merch expert or anything, but from what I've seen, equips that boost your missing secondary stat if you are an x-less character all cost about the same, with maybe a few mil difference, correct me if I'm wrong. Now, let's say we have a DEXless Hermit for example. Mr. Hermit (we'll call him Jim) purchases 11 DEX earrings, a 20 DEX Robe, and a Z-Helm with a few Helm DEXes on it. Now, what purpose does this serve? Jim, being a DEXless Hermit, probably will wind up equipping a Skanda. Unless a Skanda is godly scrolled, its damage output is nowhere close to matching the damage of a Lampion, for example. Now, even then, a Lampion can be scrolled and leveled to the point of where it's better than even a Skanda. So what did we accomplish? Nothing. Now, with all the DEX equips, the point is to put the rest of our points into LUK, right? Well, why can't we just scroll our equips for LUK? Buy some nice LUK earrings and a LUK top, or something to that effect. Overall, the money wasted on DEX equips can be instead spent on LUK equips for Jim and make his damage output the same, WITHOUT any detriment to his base stats. Now, another point of contention I have with this, is what's the point? When you equip lower leveled stuff just to boost your stats without the need to raise your secondary stat, you miss out on a big defense bonus. Sure, you may argue, "omg im so pro i dnt get hit", but for those of you who DON'T have superb handling of your character, or just accidentally hit the wrong key, you're going to be suffering not only in your damage, but in the damage YOU take. Damage output can be maximized by scrolling other items well without the need to drop your secondary stat. It also stabilizes your damage range. Now, finally, my last issue with this is that with the revamp patch coming out, monsters and accuracy are going to completely change. That means that you x-less classes are going to suffer with your acc if you neglect your secondary stat and don't raise it the way it should be. Your super-high DPS won't be for crap if you can't hit anything. Anyway, that's about all, if anyone sees something wrong with what I said, I'll gladly flame y- er I mean take it into consideration.

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Kxbow 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

1.Ur dammage would be much higher if U are a dex less sin at lv 64 for example. As u will be using skanda instead of a normal claw. They will be having the same weap atk, skanda doesnt require dex though. 2. You actually save a lot of money on equips. lets say U use kandayo for 20 lvl-s and skanda from 64 to 100-ish... U will see you dont have to change ur claw every time U hit a lvl when u can equip a new 1. U juz stick to those 2 claws. also, dex equip are more flexible, if you quit ur sin, u can use i70t for ur bowman, pirate, or warrior ( I'm talking about common equips). 3. Pro sins dont stay dex-less forever. They switch to low dex at a point... maybe at 110+... when they can wear all stats boost equip( zakum helm, MoN or deputy, medal... earings and so on). They dont do NORMAL SIN cuz U dont wanna see ur sin to have 160 dex base then another 40+ dex from equip... then another 16 dex from MW 20. Wat a waste?

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FurFarm + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] IsoSTARDUST : to me. Let me explain why.Now, I'm not a merch expert or anything, but from what I've seen, equips that boost your missing secondary stat if you are an x-less character all cost about the same, with maybe a few mil difference, correct me if I'm wrong. Now, let's say we have a DEXless Hermit for example. Mr. Hermit (we'll call him Jim) purchases 11 DEX earrings, a 20 DEX Robe, and a Z-Helm with a few Helm DEXes on it. Now, what purpose does this serve? Jim, being a DEXless Hermit, probably will wind up equipping a Skanda. Unless a Skanda is godly scrolled, its damage output is nowhere close to matching the damage of a Lampion, for example. Now, even then, a Lampion can be scrolled and leveled to the point of where it's better than even a Skanda. So what did we accomplish? Nothing. [/quote] If you have the appropriate funding to do so, dexless with a Lampion. Tadaa! Want another example? I'm dexless with a perfect Scarab (scrolled with 30%s). Did I accomplish nothing? And both my secondary stats give me accuracy, so...

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IsoSTARDUST 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] FurFarm : If you have the appropriate funding to do so, dexless with a Lampion. Tadaa! Want another example? I'm dexless with a perfect Scarab (scrolled with 30%s). Did I accomplish nothing? [/quote] Do you really want me to answer that?

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FurFarm 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] IsoSTARDUST : Do you really want me to answer that? [/quote] I want to know why you neglected to mention that tactic, as "Jim" might have been shooting for the same endeavour, rather than a presumed Skanda.

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ThinkImaHero 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Mages still benefit alot from being lukless, since 1 int = 1 magic atk therefore even though you can't equip the higher level staffs you're magic will still most likely be higher than a normal luk, for example - A reverse Aeas staff is 170 magic atk, you need 123 luk for this that's 119 less int they have than a lukless, that's 119 less magic atk, now take that off the aeas staff that's 51 m.att. Thus you would only need a 51 m.att staff/wand to be the same strength as someone with normal luk equiping this wand. :P

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FragileFroob 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Take a look at warriors, that has dex as secondary stat. Warriors need accuracy to hit monsters - and 1 dex = 0.8 accuracy - therefore it's better to become dexless and get accuracy equips, instead of getting dex. For the dexless sins - you will have enough accuracy - but you can't scroll shoes nor helm with luk, sot's obviously that you will scroll it with dex, so you can equip a higher leveled claw.

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maxxtro + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You got it all wrong man.Dexless hermits (or any other x-less chars except warriors) get luk equips (or any other main base equips),not secondary stat equips.A dexless hermit will get 11 luk earings,20 luk robe and so on and get a skanda.Even though there's an attack difference between a skanda and a lvl 90+ claw,dexless hermits have alot more luk than reg/low dex ones so they have more damage untill higher lvls (untill the point that attack becomes very important). Edit1:I've seen you also included defence in this.Even though a x-less player loses defence points it doesn't make that much difference.If I'm not mistaken 2 def=1 less damage point so that's realy not that important. Edit2:I've also seen you included the new revamp patch and from what I heard,every class except mages can handle being x-less accuracy wise but I'm not sure if it turns the tables around and x-less will suffer damage loss.

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FurFarm + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] maxxtro : You got it all wrong man.Dexless hermits (or any other x-less chars except warriors) get luk equips (or any other main base equips),not secondary stat equips [/quote] You're presuming things. Lots of dexless people deviate from getting the all-conventional Skanda and aim for higher level claws. 25 Dex with even a Lampion is easy. [quote] FragileFroob : For the dexless sins - (...) - sot's obviously that you will scroll it with dex, so you can equip a higher leveled claw. [/quote] No, that's a dumb use of scrolls. Sacrificing weapon attack, which shoes provide, in return for secondary stats (even if it's to be able to equip a higher level claw), is dumb, and means your funding doesn't match your build.

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VulcanWalker 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The point of making a stat-less character is to have higher damage than the other low/regular stat characters early on in the game. This isn't the case for warriors of course. Like those people who go dexless, usually have higher damage than low/regular dex until 120.

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faiIshotz 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

well im a strless bowman and i like it actually. i have an accuracy thats out the roof and i just buy weapon attack equips. sure it costs more but i dont think 1 str in anywhere close to 1 wep atk, correct me if im wrong on that

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iWubby 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Don't they give some kind of AP reset that takes out your AP completely so you can fix it up in the revamp?

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maxxtro 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] iWubby : Don't they give some kind of AP reset that takes out your AP completely so you can fix it up in the revamp? [/quote] They have currently only given SP resets.They might give AP resets once the patch hits KMS but I highly doubt it.

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jayiscooler + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] kratos7777 : One simple reason why people make these xxx-less characters is the fact that narutards "think" they do great damage but we know better (seriously alot of other jobs newadays outdamage sins at the same levels) and the major part only plays from level 1-4x and stops after that since they can't afford the rest. Str-less Archers are also pointless IMO. The same goes to all others :P Except for the Mages now. I got a Lukless mage myself and the most positive about it is the fact I only have to buy potions xD [/quote] Dexless people have always been out-damaging me, I really can't even keep up with a couple of them, my end game weapon will be a craven since i'm just a night walker, and people have skandas that are better than it. Ever since I made a dexless sin, I've been largely out damaging almost everyone [thats also thanks to my +10 bless] I'm gonna buy enough nx so that my end game weapon will be dexless and 60+ atk. Lets say that a normal dex sin has a 70atk Lampion. well 4-5luk = 1 weapon atk. it takes 150dex [correct me if im wrong] to equip a lampion. lets say you have a 15dex robe, 15 dex zhelm, 10dex earrings, 10dex cape, 10 dex shoes. Well that altogether is 50 dex, so, you need 100 base dex. A thief has 25 base dex, so thats 75 dex. If 5 luk = 1 wep atk,[if i used 4 instead, the numbers would be even better for a dexless sin] that means that means you have 15atk of of extra luk that the dex sin doesn't have. So take that 10atk away from the lampion and skanda difference, and the dexless person still has 5atk. At lower levels, 5 atk isn't all too much of a bog difference, but the higher your level gets, the more it starts to effect your range. It's like have a 7atk wg or a 12atk wg. Also, most people dont have as much dex on their equips, so they would require even more dex.

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BloodRivera 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

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lamborg 07/04/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

a dexless hermit has 25 base dex and uses luk equips.

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