Free will does not exist.

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thread starter magiclife Jul 03 2010 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

The universe is run in a way that the exact same cause will always have the exact same reaction. This rules out randomness. Each extremely small detail in an extremely small point of time will advance in a certain way. Do this trillions of trillions of times and you will have predicted a moment in time without flaw. Of course, keep doing that forever and ever and you have the entire future predicted. If the entire future can be predicted, we do not truthfully have choice. Our "choices" are already set in stone. Before people comment on this: i know a human couldnt ever do this to predict the future. Just because we cant doesnt stop the system from working. Edit: In the case of randomness existing- randomness by definition cant be influenced by will. You cannot choose a path in randomness. When an event without randomness is occuring, my original logic applies.

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Daedalus 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

I trying to think of a loophole but I can't =/

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xenspyder 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Why you always gotta bring someone down?

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punchcops 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

good one freud

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TheLastSamurai 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

But what about the Big Bang? That was the crown jewel of randomness!

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MyNaginata 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

What? I fail to comprehend.

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ScrambledEgg 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

You should check out Bell's theorem; it actually provides other options.

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SeaFood314 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

So entropy in nature, even at the atomic/molecular level, doesn't exist?

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magiclife 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] TheLastSamurai : But what about the Big Bang? That was the crown jewel of randomness! [/quote] There is something we do not understand about the big bang which is keeping us from explaining it. That does not mean the big bang has randomness.

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Lolwolf 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

Sadly, that isn't true. You say that the same cause will have the same reaction/effect. Say, a young boy who always behaved correctly died, his family would weep. But, if we reverse the boy's behavior, you won't know the result since the variable is actually his family. They could either weep for him or not care.

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ddvessel 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

lol i bet you're one of those obnoxious people who believes in fate. there are certain laws that will always be played out but the way you're saying things, if i were to see a tennis ball on the ground and walk over to pick it up, because i decided to pick it up i would have had no other option to do so. learn a bit more about the human brain before you make these nonsensical rants

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TheLastSamurai 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

If Free will does not exist, what happens to the Will to be free?

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SeaFood314 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] Lolwolf : Sadly, that isn't true. You say that the same cause will have the same reaction/effect. Say, a young boy who always behaved correctly died, his family would weep. But, if we reverse the boy's behavior, you won't know the result since the variable is actually his family. They could either weep for him or not care. [/quote] That's not what the TS stated. He's essentially saying that anything that happens is happening for a reason. Everything's already decided.

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Triaudia 07/03/10 + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

>Implying that randomness is a reaction, not a cause

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lawlerskates + PM | QUOTE | PERMALINK | REPORT

[quote] magiclife : If the entire future can be predicted, we do not truthfully have choice... Before people comment on this: i know a human couldnt ever do this to predict the future. [/quote] You just contradicted yourself.

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